Comments on: Watch Out! Propaganda Blogs or Observer’s Blacklist of Campaign Blogs

By: Anifiazidanna

Anifiazidanna — Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:25:00 +0000

Хотел узнать, а сайт популярный? Первый раз пишу, вот интересуюсь. Заранее спасибо

By: Global Voices Online » Armenia: Blogging Comes of Age

Global Voices Online » Armenia: Blogging Comes of Age — Sun, 11 May 2008 19:40:53 +0000

[...] bloggers responded, and supporters of both Ter-Petrossian and then prime minister, Serge Sargsyan, soon opened up new blogs on free weblog hosting services, but particularly on [...]

By: Isabella

Isabella — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:49:13 +0000

Agree-agree..;)

By: Observer

Observer — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:32:05 +0000

Well, I indeed included the levonforpresident.com blog for parity. And when making this post, I was really far from trying to promote censorship, etc. Later I understood, that it was clearly a mistake, but – on the other hand, I’m really glad we had this discussion. Despite all the arguments that we had in the comments above, I think, that it was very good I made this list and posted this provocative post – because there are things, that are better discussed, then left in silence and burried in gossip.

By: Isabella

Isabella — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:39:26 +0000

Observer jan, didn’t you notice that there are different people posting in levonforpresident.com blog including me with a certain link on my livejournal blog. There is no anonymity and shouldn’t be any “worries”. Or you’ve mentioned that one to keep nowdays blessed parity? :))
However, I find all these classification and censorship (bots, robots, propagandists etc) discussions really alarming. Alarming in much wider context than just 2008 elections. Internet and blogosphere in particular is a free space and free realm and free chance for everyone to be or not to be whatever one wanna be. Doesn’t matter if he/she is a “boot”,”bot” or “paid spy” (even though i sincerely believe no one actually is). Who the hell cares? Who delivered the right to some users to be privileged ‘ինտերնետ նայողներ’ and make stupid classifications of real or unreal people? The rule of the game is more than simple and very fair – natural selection. Еvery one has a right for free expression (pro/contra/stupid/genius/ugly/boring/funny..) and everyone has a right to select blogs he/she wants to participate/read/ignore/ban/promote. To be good or bad, popular or unpopular. What else in this world can be better? What can be more acceptable for a real liberal person ?
Asking all this questions I just urge you: Don’t support censorship and control over free speech and over free internet, don’t pay a tribute to those who want to destroy one of the last bastions of freedom in the world. Let it fly; let it be as it is; let it die if it dies and live if there is possibility to. I say this with clear understanding that the majority of blogs you’ve mentioned ‘play’ against my political conviction, but even though I have no doubt that their free existence and their right to be are vital for everything I believe as a person and citizen. Don’t take me wrong but don’t follow this path it takes us back to era of control and censorship…

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By: Onnik Krikorian

Onnik Krikorian — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:03:23 +0000

Aramazd, your English-language skills or ability to comprehend it in written form are failing you. The reference to Ter-Petrossian readers were obviously not directed at Observer, they were directed at Nazarian.

I would of thought the context of the sentence referring to a reaction from his readers and me writing that would have been clear to people, but I guess not. Still, nice try.

;-)

By: Aramazd

Aramazd — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 06:38:10 +0000

Observer, someone wrote the following:
“Anyway, given that your site hardly has any readers and most of them are probably Ter-Petrossian activists or supporters, who actually cares ?”

Just would like to mention that this is not the case, and you are really respected in the blogosphere, and it is always a pleasure to be hosted at your blog. Don’t pay attention to people full of mistrust, arrogance and poison! Just don’t!

What comes to your original post – you have the right to have your opinion, and it’s good you’ve allowed all to express their consent or disagreement with it.

Keep going, Observer, and well done!

By: Haik

Haik — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 21:31:16 +0000

What’s the difference between opinion, support and propaganda? The difference to me is that the aim of the propaganda is to brainwash.

This is getting too far. the http://www.levonforpresident.com blog is not a propaganda blog, it is an opinion and support blog. If you could prove otherwise would you please elaborate? Otherwise I would appreciate if you could remove / cross it with an explaination from the above list.

If you could convince me and prove that it is a brainwashing or paid for or an artificiel blog I would delete and remove it from the Internet.

The blog is created that LTP supporters or NOT supporters could voice and share their opinions as the name of the blog suggests ( “Blog – Write your opinion” OR “Blog – Make your voice heard”)

Kind regards,

Haik

By: Observer

Observer — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:17:43 +0000

so far bloggers have been generally ignoring the propaganda blogs. let’s see how everything will develop – the campaign is just getting into heat.

By: David S/

David S/ — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 19:44:39 +0000

Thanks for worrying :)

Do they really think that could work? :)

By: Kornelij

Kornelij — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 18:13:46 +0000

barew dzez- es bot em :)

By: Observer

Observer — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:50:29 +0000

actually – once we started speaking of that – i’ve never ever deleted any undesirable comments on any of my blogs.

By: Observer

Observer — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:45:56 +0000

Onnik – I had enough evidence to start this discussion, but my source won’t understand if I tried to open up brackets a little more. That is exactly why I wrote this provocative post instead of a more sound analyses.

By: nazarian

nazarian — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:32:38 +0000

re: “I will only perhaps allow Nazarian to defend himself with one comment after the 3 comments you have just made”.

Nah, I’ll pass :)

By: Onnik Krikorian

Onnik Krikorian — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:19:19 +0000

Firstly, I don’t want to continue this discussion here. Moreover, while you have every right to delete comments here, this is precisely the sort of thing that your post is about in the first place. Censoring and deleting comments is precisely what both anti-democratic sides want anyway. I’d also add that while you think it is not right “in speaking about “service of his lord and master”” two points.

Firstly, you have already accused fellow bloggers of being in the pay of the KGB which really seems inappropriate and uncalled for especially when you haven’t produced any evidence to back up your claims and also, give the way that Nazarian is twisting my concerns about his blog being used to smear me and his simplistic attempt to accuse me of attacking freedom of speech, I think I have every right.

By: Observer

Observer — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:01:11 +0000

I think both of you are overreacting. And I don’t think you are right in speaking about “service of his lord and master”, because I have known Nazaryan as a very independent person generally, although quite sympathetic of LTP, which is his Divine right!

Anyway, I don’t see any point in letting you guys continue this discussion here, any further comments on this argument will be deleted, I will only perhaps allow Nazarian to defend himself with one comment after the 3 comments you have just made, and if he does so with reasonable degree of tact and within limits of what I consider ethical, I will let it be posted here.

By: Onnik Krikorian

Onnik Krikorian — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:49:29 +0000

Incidentally, Observer, what you are requesting is precisely what Nazarian is refusing to do. That is, follow standard blogging etiquette which frowns on personal attacks by those commenting on blog posts. Very simply, if Nazarian hadn’t allowed his blog from becoming an attempt to discredit a photojournalist in Armenia by a member of Levon Ter-Petrossian’s campaign team then we wouldn’t be discussing this now. Hopefully, he will prevent that from happening which kind of makes it somewhat ironic that he removed the photos. When he did so, he signaled that he would allow his blog to be used in the service of his lord and master.

By: Global Voices Online » Armenia: Black Propaganda Blogs

Global Voices Online » Armenia: Black Propaganda Blogs — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:37:04 +0000

[...] in which supporters of former president Levon Ter-Petrossian and prime minister Serge Sargsyan to disseminate black propaganda and wonders if they shouldn't be blacklisted. Share [...]

By: Onnik Krikorian

Onnik Krikorian — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:25:20 +0000

Observer, sorry, but when I am accused of attacking freedom of speech and censorship, yes, it does matter.