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	<title>Comments on: Divided blogosphere on united opposition leader Levon Ter-Petrossian&#8217;s conciliatory speech</title>
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		<title>By: AH</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/05/07/divided-blogosphere-on-united-opposition-leader-levon-ter-petrossians-conciliatory-speech/#comment-10694</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 10:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hayk - why the forced choice?  Before Levon re-emerged, who were the &quot;anti-authority&quot; people for?  I mean, is it a discredited political stance to be pro-Vazgen Manukyan?  Pro-communist?  Pro-ARF?  Pro-Hayrikyan?  Pro-independence of Artaskh as an independent state?

I think that it is very HEALTHY to be part of the &quot;half-minded&quot; independents, as you put it.  Better than the no-minded zombies who can just blindly support one or another character simply because they are the alpha-gorilla of the pack.

Sadly, previous authorities have given most of the nation plenty of reason to be disenchanted.  It should come as no surprise that most thinking (half-minded or otherwise) poeple want to have nothing to do with Levon or Kocharian or others who have plundered the state rather than led it when they had a chance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hayk &#8211; why the forced choice?  Before Levon re-emerged, who were the &#8220;anti-authority&#8221; people for?  I mean, is it a discredited political stance to be pro-Vazgen Manukyan?  Pro-communist?  Pro-ARF?  Pro-Hayrikyan?  Pro-independence of Artaskh as an independent state?</p>
<p>I think that it is very HEALTHY to be part of the &#8220;half-minded&#8221; independents, as you put it.  Better than the no-minded zombies who can just blindly support one or another character simply because they are the alpha-gorilla of the pack.</p>
<p>Sadly, previous authorities have given most of the nation plenty of reason to be disenchanted.  It should come as no surprise that most thinking (half-minded or otherwise) poeple want to have nothing to do with Levon or Kocharian or others who have plundered the state rather than led it when they had a chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Hayk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hayk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 08:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I Like the term of &quot;2 sizable Minorities&quot; used by this Onnik Krikoryan.

I think your expressed opinions do not belong to any of those &quot;minorities&quot;.

The fact is that 2 &quot;minorities&quot; are the 2 majorities that some kind of &quot;independent minded&quot; people do not like.

One majority is pro-authority and the second majority is opposition, led by LTP or NOT led by LTP.

I also want to mention that putting the sign of equality or fairness between authorities and opposition in the negotiation process is not fair, and even shows those &quot;independent&quot; minded bloggers&#039; super &quot;euro-indepndence&quot;, but in reality half-mindedness.

I personally cannot tolerate this kind of half-minded &quot;indepndents&quot;, who claim in responce to relase of the political prisoners the opposition should recognize the CC&#039;s resolution.

Another bright ides of this &quot;indepndents&quot; is that &quot;NOBODY knows what happened, nobody can tell who is political prisoners who are criminals&quot;.

Hey, &quot;independents&quot;, in reality you are not independents, you just hate LEVON, and at the same time you cannot publicly defend SERJ, that is why you play double game, and you cannot just overcome the barrier of your &quot;half-minded&quot; dependence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I Like the term of &#8220;2 sizable Minorities&#8221; used by this Onnik Krikoryan.</p>
<p>I think your expressed opinions do not belong to any of those &#8220;minorities&#8221;.</p>
<p>The fact is that 2 &#8220;minorities&#8221; are the 2 majorities that some kind of &#8220;independent minded&#8221; people do not like.</p>
<p>One majority is pro-authority and the second majority is opposition, led by LTP or NOT led by LTP.</p>
<p>I also want to mention that putting the sign of equality or fairness between authorities and opposition in the negotiation process is not fair, and even shows those &#8220;independent&#8221; minded bloggers&#8217; super &#8220;euro-indepndence&#8221;, but in reality half-mindedness.</p>
<p>I personally cannot tolerate this kind of half-minded &#8220;indepndents&#8221;, who claim in responce to relase of the political prisoners the opposition should recognize the CC&#8217;s resolution.</p>
<p>Another bright ides of this &#8220;indepndents&#8221; is that &#8220;NOBODY knows what happened, nobody can tell who is political prisoners who are criminals&#8221;.</p>
<p>Hey, &#8220;independents&#8221;, in reality you are not independents, you just hate LEVON, and at the same time you cannot publicly defend SERJ, that is why you play double game, and you cannot just overcome the barrier of your &#8220;half-minded&#8221; dependence.</p>
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		<title>By: Artashes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artashes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 21:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Observer,
Regarding my lack of commentary on LTP&#039;s speech.
Most of what could be said on the main topic of moving out of the pithole we all are in is already said. My propositions are not original, nor should they be. Both Vahan Hovhannesyan and Vazgen Manukyan came up, just after the mess, with useful and doable suggestions (though both of them, disappointingly, disappeared from the visible political arena afterwards). I supported those practical suggestions (like REALLY changing the composition, the method of being appointed to, and operating principles of National Telecommunications Committee and the National Electoral Commisssion). Onnik Krikorian was writing a lot on the topic of moving politically forward, and I indicated the remarkable coincidence of my and his views regarding the main principles of putting the national interests of Armenia above the petty partisan struggle for power and privileges. 
You also know that I, being a psychiatrically adequate person, can see the obvious: that the regimes of LTP and RK are qualitatively the same and just logical continuation of one another. That is why the whole out-and-out &quot;fight for democracy/motherland&quot; of supporters of these two regimes is preposterous and has nothing to do with real interests of Armenia, it&#039;s just a fight for power. Yes, there is no qualitative difference between Levon-president and Serzh-president. In either case, the perverted system will stay the same (guess what? That system WAS established by Levon and perfected by Serzh! Nobody gave me a good argument why these very same people would now want to fundamentally change it. Funnily, if we go only by preelection rhetoric of those two, Levon sounded more undemocratic than Serzh. Funnily, since the outside reader can get an idea that Serzh is a democrat! :)). 
What is to be done? My faint hope was (and still is, for the sake of the hope itself) that the two opposing camps - as qualitatively similar as they are - will try to come to some framework agreement, some ground rules of political game, which COULD be the beginning of our own, dirty and stinking as it may be, Armenian democracy (and NOT just the Neanderthal &quot;we won and fucked you, now be my slave, bitch; or else I will put you in jail, and you will be my sex slave, bitch!&quot;, what I earlier referred to, in quotation  marks, as the &quot;fight for democracy/motherland&quot; :)). Or it could be - and objectively, it is MUCH more likely to be - the beginning of a more &quot;civilized&quot; type of oligocracy, when the competing elites find some ways to distribute the influence to avoid open conflicts (approximately like what competing mafia groups have been doing). 
In the short-term, and even the medium-term, I am not an optimist...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Observer,<br />
Regarding my lack of commentary on LTP&#8217;s speech.<br />
Most of what could be said on the main topic of moving out of the pithole we all are in is already said. My propositions are not original, nor should they be. Both Vahan Hovhannesyan and Vazgen Manukyan came up, just after the mess, with useful and doable suggestions (though both of them, disappointingly, disappeared from the visible political arena afterwards). I supported those practical suggestions (like REALLY changing the composition, the method of being appointed to, and operating principles of National Telecommunications Committee and the National Electoral Commisssion). Onnik Krikorian was writing a lot on the topic of moving politically forward, and I indicated the remarkable coincidence of my and his views regarding the main principles of putting the national interests of Armenia above the petty partisan struggle for power and privileges.<br />
You also know that I, being a psychiatrically adequate person, can see the obvious: that the regimes of LTP and RK are qualitatively the same and just logical continuation of one another. That is why the whole out-and-out &#8220;fight for democracy/motherland&#8221; of supporters of these two regimes is preposterous and has nothing to do with real interests of Armenia, it&#8217;s just a fight for power. Yes, there is no qualitative difference between Levon-president and Serzh-president. In either case, the perverted system will stay the same (guess what? That system WAS established by Levon and perfected by Serzh! Nobody gave me a good argument why these very same people would now want to fundamentally change it. Funnily, if we go only by preelection rhetoric of those two, Levon sounded more undemocratic than Serzh. Funnily, since the outside reader can get an idea that Serzh is a democrat! :)).<br />
What is to be done? My faint hope was (and still is, for the sake of the hope itself) that the two opposing camps &#8211; as qualitatively similar as they are &#8211; will try to come to some framework agreement, some ground rules of political game, which COULD be the beginning of our own, dirty and stinking as it may be, Armenian democracy (and NOT just the Neanderthal &#8220;we won and fucked you, now be my slave, bitch; or else I will put you in jail, and you will be my sex slave, bitch!&#8221;, what I earlier referred to, in quotation  marks, as the &#8220;fight for democracy/motherland&#8221; :)). Or it could be &#8211; and objectively, it is MUCH more likely to be &#8211; the beginning of a more &#8220;civilized&#8221; type of oligocracy, when the competing elites find some ways to distribute the influence to avoid open conflicts (approximately like what competing mafia groups have been doing).<br />
In the short-term, and even the medium-term, I am not an optimist&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ani</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/05/07/divided-blogosphere-on-united-opposition-leader-levon-ter-petrossians-conciliatory-speech/#comment-10687</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ani]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 19:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Uzogh, I am literally packing my bags but will quickly take the time to respond. I did say that I was sorry that I had misread and that actually there were 642 questions on the blog, not 625 (however, not the “over 800” that you mentioned were there in the Hetq article). Of those, there were specific answers to a few, but vague and general answers to others, ignoring the specifics when they were inconvenient. (Not all of the links that you gave are accessible on the main page of the blog, by the way, so it is difficult to find even those answers.) 

At any rate, even by your own figures, there are 390 questions that were completely ignored. I’m not the one who promised to answer every question, you and/or Sargsyan did that (see Onnik’s blog 3/10 article for the promises made). So let us all know when ALL the questions are answered—I’m sure we’d also appreciate seeing a short video of Mr. Sargsyan typing the answers himself, it would be fascinating to see the touch typing skills he must have to type such long paragraphs (although the Enter key would be helpful now and then). And after all, it is his own personal blog, which by definition means that everything on it is his own personal expression, right?

I have, however, enjoyed finding out more about the President’s friends and hobbies.  http://serzhsargsyan.livejournal.com/friends Without the blog, I’d never have known he was a dedicated scrapbooker, into “girly glittercupcakes”, bento boxes, and Polaroids! And his only two friends, Billy the Goat (who advised Mr. Sargsyan to “nominate himself” for Livejournal board!) and Toto the toupee-wearing Chihuahua dog, are truly adorable! 

Remember, you asked!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uzogh, I am literally packing my bags but will quickly take the time to respond. I did say that I was sorry that I had misread and that actually there were 642 questions on the blog, not 625 (however, not the “over 800” that you mentioned were there in the Hetq article). Of those, there were specific answers to a few, but vague and general answers to others, ignoring the specifics when they were inconvenient. (Not all of the links that you gave are accessible on the main page of the blog, by the way, so it is difficult to find even those answers.) </p>
<p>At any rate, even by your own figures, there are 390 questions that were completely ignored. I’m not the one who promised to answer every question, you and/or Sargsyan did that (see Onnik’s blog 3/10 article for the promises made). So let us all know when ALL the questions are answered—I’m sure we’d also appreciate seeing a short video of Mr. Sargsyan typing the answers himself, it would be fascinating to see the touch typing skills he must have to type such long paragraphs (although the Enter key would be helpful now and then). And after all, it is his own personal blog, which by definition means that everything on it is his own personal expression, right?</p>
<p>I have, however, enjoyed finding out more about the President’s friends and hobbies.  <a href="http://serzhsargsyan.livejournal.com/friends" rel="nofollow">http://serzhsargsyan.livejournal.com/friends</a> Without the blog, I’d never have known he was a dedicated scrapbooker, into “girly glittercupcakes”, bento boxes, and Polaroids! And his only two friends, Billy the Goat (who advised Mr. Sargsyan to “nominate himself” for Livejournal board!) and Toto the toupee-wearing Chihuahua dog, are truly adorable! </p>
<p>Remember, you asked!</p>
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		<title>By: uzogh</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/05/07/divided-blogosphere-on-united-opposition-leader-levon-ter-petrossians-conciliatory-speech/#comment-10686</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[uzogh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 16:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Uzogh, thank you for answering. The total by what you are giving adds up to 252 not 642 and I don’t see that my very specific question was answered, but it’s time to move on.
========
Before we go on, I think it will be good for all of us to hear some apologies from you for misinforming all the readers of Observer&#039;s blog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uzogh, thank you for answering. The total by what you are giving adds up to 252 not 642 and I don’t see that my very specific question was answered, but it’s time to move on.<br />
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Before we go on, I think it will be good for all of us to hear some apologies from you for misinforming all the readers of Observer&#8217;s blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Ani</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/05/07/divided-blogosphere-on-united-opposition-leader-levon-ter-petrossians-conciliatory-speech/#comment-10675</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ani]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 13:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Glad to hear it Observer--limbo was a strange place to be in! I will be traveling soon, though, so if you don&#039;t hear from me quite so much it&#039;s lack of Internet opportunities, not decreased interest or passion for making Armenia a better place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to hear it Observer&#8211;limbo was a strange place to be in! I will be traveling soon, though, so if you don&#8217;t hear from me quite so much it&#8217;s lack of Internet opportunities, not decreased interest or passion for making Armenia a better place.</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/05/07/divided-blogosphere-on-united-opposition-leader-levon-ter-petrossians-conciliatory-speech/#comment-10661</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Observer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 19:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ani - just to let you know, I have never put you on moderation - it is against my policy. Instead, I have some basic filtering rules - for comments which contain too many links (possible SPAM) and certain offensive words. I guess your comment was filtered to moderation list because of links. I have always valued your input here, please go on commenting as before!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ani &#8211; just to let you know, I have never put you on moderation &#8211; it is against my policy. Instead, I have some basic filtering rules &#8211; for comments which contain too many links (possible SPAM) and certain offensive words. I guess your comment was filtered to moderation list because of links. I have always valued your input here, please go on commenting as before!</p>
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		<title>By: Ani</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/05/07/divided-blogosphere-on-united-opposition-leader-levon-ter-petrossians-conciliatory-speech/#comment-10653</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ani]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 13:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Uzogh, thank you for answering. The total by what you are giving adds up to 252 not 642 and I don&#039;t see that my very specific question was answered, but it&#039;s time to move on. I hope that you actually make something real of the Serzh blog. 

Thank you, Grigor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uzogh, thank you for answering. The total by what you are giving adds up to 252 not 642 and I don&#8217;t see that my very specific question was answered, but it&#8217;s time to move on. I hope that you actually make something real of the Serzh blog. </p>
<p>Thank you, Grigor.</p>
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		<title>By: AH</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/05/07/divided-blogosphere-on-united-opposition-leader-levon-ter-petrossians-conciliatory-speech/#comment-10651</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 08:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Grigor my point about good people was less directed at answering questions on this or that site, and more about the fact that I believe that there are many many good people in various sectors of life.  And given the polarization that has become amplified of late, it is an easy trap to fall into, to say that &quot;everyone in my camp is great, everyone in the other camp is scum.&quot;

I wasn&#039;t trying to be so persuasive, just that there are good people everywhere, even in prisons or in the judge&#039;s chambers.  I think that demonizing one group or another doesn&#039;t get us far, and barring some kind of a revolution or wholesale eviction (neither of which I think are happening), I think it behooves us to seek out such people to work together in an atmosphere of listening as opposed to one of provocation, hate, or disdain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grigor my point about good people was less directed at answering questions on this or that site, and more about the fact that I believe that there are many many good people in various sectors of life.  And given the polarization that has become amplified of late, it is an easy trap to fall into, to say that &#8220;everyone in my camp is great, everyone in the other camp is scum.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t trying to be so persuasive, just that there are good people everywhere, even in prisons or in the judge&#8217;s chambers.  I think that demonizing one group or another doesn&#8217;t get us far, and barring some kind of a revolution or wholesale eviction (neither of which I think are happening), I think it behooves us to seek out such people to work together in an atmosphere of listening as opposed to one of provocation, hate, or disdain.</p>
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		<title>By: uzogh</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/05/07/divided-blogosphere-on-united-opposition-leader-levon-ter-petrossians-conciliatory-speech/#comment-10650</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[uzogh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 08:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ani, here are the answers. In brackets you can see the quantity of questions answered.
Questions answered during TV version of Interview (65)
http://serzhsargsyan.livejournal.com/1995.html
http://serzhsargsyan.livejournal.com/2221.html
Common and funny questions (85)
http://serzhsargsyan.livejournal.com/2729.html
http://serzhsargsyan.livejournal.com/2849.html
Corruption (27)
http://serzhsargsyan.livejournal.com/3289.html
Post-election development (12)
http://serzhsargsyan.livejournal.com/3486.html
March 1 (56)
http://serzhsargsyan.livejournal.com/3764.html
Artur Bagdasaryan (7)
http://serzhsargsyan.livejournal.com/4041.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ani, here are the answers. In brackets you can see the quantity of questions answered.<br />
Questions answered during TV version of Interview (65)<br />
<a href="http://serzhsargsyan.livejournal.com/1995.html" rel="nofollow">http://serzhsargsyan.livejournal.com/1995.html</a><br />
<a href="http://serzhsargsyan.livejournal.com/2221.html" rel="nofollow">http://serzhsargsyan.livejournal.com/2221.html</a><br />
Common and funny questions (85)<br />
<a href="http://serzhsargsyan.livejournal.com/2729.html" rel="nofollow">http://serzhsargsyan.livejournal.com/2729.html</a><br />
<a href="http://serzhsargsyan.livejournal.com/2849.html" rel="nofollow">http://serzhsargsyan.livejournal.com/2849.html</a><br />
Corruption (27)<br />
<a href="http://serzhsargsyan.livejournal.com/3289.html" rel="nofollow">http://serzhsargsyan.livejournal.com/3289.html</a><br />
Post-election development (12)<br />
<a href="http://serzhsargsyan.livejournal.com/3486.html" rel="nofollow">http://serzhsargsyan.livejournal.com/3486.html</a><br />
March 1 (56)<br />
<a href="http://serzhsargsyan.livejournal.com/3764.html" rel="nofollow">http://serzhsargsyan.livejournal.com/3764.html</a><br />
Artur Bagdasaryan (7)<br />
<a href="http://serzhsargsyan.livejournal.com/4041.html" rel="nofollow">http://serzhsargsyan.livejournal.com/4041.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Onnik Krikorian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Onnik Krikorian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 07:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;AH, Observer and Onnik, I am glad that you are tired of hearing about LTP, but some people are also tired of hearing any kind of criticism of LTP as well.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Gonna break my self-imposed silence as well as my personal ban on me commenting on discussions which I have no time for anymore. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;If his factor is so small and he is disliked by many then why are you still talking about him. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Basically, I&#039;m not. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>AH, Observer and Onnik, I am glad that you are tired of hearing about LTP, but some people are also tired of hearing any kind of criticism of LTP as well.</p></blockquote>
<p>Gonna break my self-imposed silence as well as my personal ban on me commenting on discussions which I have no time for anymore. </p>
<blockquote><p>If his factor is so small and he is disliked by many then why are you still talking about him. </p></blockquote>
<p>Basically, I&#8217;m not. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: grigor sargsyan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grigor sargsyan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 22:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok. I&#039;ll go back to the silent mode now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok. I&#8217;ll go back to the silent mode now.</p>
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		<title>By: grigor sargsyan</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/05/07/divided-blogosphere-on-united-opposition-leader-levon-ter-petrossians-conciliatory-speech/#comment-10645</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grigor sargsyan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 22:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just couldn&#039;t resist the temptation of breaking my self-imposed silence and saying a word or two here.

Ani, I don&#039;t know about others, but I haven&#039;t been bored at all by this little conflict you are having with Mr. Uzogh. Actually, I am somewhat surprised that no one has  said anything, but hey they have been living in that twisted society for such a long time that the responses you were getting from Uzogh perhaps didn&#039;t look strange at all to them. But anyway, I hope it is not just me who found Uzogh&#039;s responses strange, to say the least. 

First of all Ani, Uzogh is completely right, they did answer all the questions they were asked. Having said this, however, it must be noted that they put the answers out there in a completely useless and confusing way. It is hard to understand why the answers are actually answering the questions. To put it mildly, even though they answered all the questions, I think it is a pretty useless site. Moreover, the whole thing was not a very good idea either. It must be said that the questions weren&#039;t good at all (majority of them), and the timing of the thing wasn&#039;t good at all which partially explains why many questions were bad. I mean, common, people were angry! This is probably a much better time to organize something like that. I bet the questions would be much better now.

But the main point that I wanted to say is the following. This little exchange of words  between Ani and Uzogh seems to illustrate how things are in that country. Common Uzogh, you are the guy behind Serj&#039;s blog, how about showing some decency? Did you have to actually come back and make that comment about math? Eh, what do you even know about math to begging with? Besides, again you are the guy behind Serj&#039;s blog, he is the president of Armenia (for your information) and you are or were behind that blog presenting his face to the outside world. Couldn&#039;t you say something along the lines of &quot;Dear Ani, thanks for being so concerned, and I have to apologize for not being able to  satisfy you enthusiasm. Please understand that the number of the questions exceeded our expectations and we didn&#039;t have the necessary time and resources to keep up with them&quot;. I mean anything along these lines would have been better than &quot;math skils&quot; or &quot;spreading lies&quot;. I mean, common, spreading lies?  She is just a concerned citizen, it is not like she has hijacked the internet and has been spreading lies all over the place. Or why are you so afraid of her activities, remember you are the guy behind Serj&#039;s blog, the guy who got 52% or 53% or whatever. Hell, even not answering to her questions would have been better than accusing her in spreading lies.

Even at this level, where participants are supposedly civilized and intelligent people, disrespecting each other and slapping the opponent seems to be the common practice, even by those who actually represent the government. No wonder we had March 1st, and no wounder that we will have more of it if it goes on like this. Eh, I wish there was god who could actually come and save the people of that little country, but unfortunately we don&#039;t live in fairy tale.

AH, Observer and Onnik, I am glad that you are tired of hearing about LTP, but some people are also tired of hearing any kind of criticism of LTP as well. If his factor is so small and he is disliked by many then why are you still talking about him. If indeed most are tired of him then one can only assume that there is a big part of the society who dislikes LTP and, nevertheless, finds something in him that they cannot get elsewhere. What exactly is that?

Also, this talk of good and bad people is such a subjective topic. I have to admit that I usually agree with AHs views, but after that Uzogh-Ani conflict, AH needs to get a bit more practical in explaining what exactly he means by good people. Yes, abstractly there are lots of good people, if by good we mean people who like to eat ice cream and watch tv before going to bad. But if you mean people who have the decency of giving respectable answers to innocent questions (ok in somewhat criticizing tone) asked by people with no apparent affiliation to any political force, then AH needs to work much harder in order to convince me, at least, that there are MANY such people in Armenia. I am willing to agree that there are some, just because there are always some.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just couldn&#8217;t resist the temptation of breaking my self-imposed silence and saying a word or two here.</p>
<p>Ani, I don&#8217;t know about others, but I haven&#8217;t been bored at all by this little conflict you are having with Mr. Uzogh. Actually, I am somewhat surprised that no one has  said anything, but hey they have been living in that twisted society for such a long time that the responses you were getting from Uzogh perhaps didn&#8217;t look strange at all to them. But anyway, I hope it is not just me who found Uzogh&#8217;s responses strange, to say the least. </p>
<p>First of all Ani, Uzogh is completely right, they did answer all the questions they were asked. Having said this, however, it must be noted that they put the answers out there in a completely useless and confusing way. It is hard to understand why the answers are actually answering the questions. To put it mildly, even though they answered all the questions, I think it is a pretty useless site. Moreover, the whole thing was not a very good idea either. It must be said that the questions weren&#8217;t good at all (majority of them), and the timing of the thing wasn&#8217;t good at all which partially explains why many questions were bad. I mean, common, people were angry! This is probably a much better time to organize something like that. I bet the questions would be much better now.</p>
<p>But the main point that I wanted to say is the following. This little exchange of words  between Ani and Uzogh seems to illustrate how things are in that country. Common Uzogh, you are the guy behind Serj&#8217;s blog, how about showing some decency? Did you have to actually come back and make that comment about math? Eh, what do you even know about math to begging with? Besides, again you are the guy behind Serj&#8217;s blog, he is the president of Armenia (for your information) and you are or were behind that blog presenting his face to the outside world. Couldn&#8217;t you say something along the lines of &#8220;Dear Ani, thanks for being so concerned, and I have to apologize for not being able to  satisfy you enthusiasm. Please understand that the number of the questions exceeded our expectations and we didn&#8217;t have the necessary time and resources to keep up with them&#8221;. I mean anything along these lines would have been better than &#8220;math skils&#8221; or &#8220;spreading lies&#8221;. I mean, common, spreading lies?  She is just a concerned citizen, it is not like she has hijacked the internet and has been spreading lies all over the place. Or why are you so afraid of her activities, remember you are the guy behind Serj&#8217;s blog, the guy who got 52% or 53% or whatever. Hell, even not answering to her questions would have been better than accusing her in spreading lies.</p>
<p>Even at this level, where participants are supposedly civilized and intelligent people, disrespecting each other and slapping the opponent seems to be the common practice, even by those who actually represent the government. No wonder we had March 1st, and no wounder that we will have more of it if it goes on like this. Eh, I wish there was god who could actually come and save the people of that little country, but unfortunately we don&#8217;t live in fairy tale.</p>
<p>AH, Observer and Onnik, I am glad that you are tired of hearing about LTP, but some people are also tired of hearing any kind of criticism of LTP as well. If his factor is so small and he is disliked by many then why are you still talking about him. If indeed most are tired of him then one can only assume that there is a big part of the society who dislikes LTP and, nevertheless, finds something in him that they cannot get elsewhere. What exactly is that?</p>
<p>Also, this talk of good and bad people is such a subjective topic. I have to admit that I usually agree with AHs views, but after that Uzogh-Ani conflict, AH needs to get a bit more practical in explaining what exactly he means by good people. Yes, abstractly there are lots of good people, if by good we mean people who like to eat ice cream and watch tv before going to bad. But if you mean people who have the decency of giving respectable answers to innocent questions (ok in somewhat criticizing tone) asked by people with no apparent affiliation to any political force, then AH needs to work much harder in order to convince me, at least, that there are MANY such people in Armenia. I am willing to agree that there are some, just because there are always some.</p>
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		<title>By: Ani</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/05/07/divided-blogosphere-on-united-opposition-leader-levon-ter-petrossians-conciliatory-speech/#comment-10641</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ani]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 19:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Uzogh, my comment above now shows, so you will see that, per your request, I already did my &quot;recount&quot; much earlier today (6:35 PM). Perhaps now you will answer my question? If not, I guess my point has been proven anyway, by you. 

Observer, I will not bore you and the rest with this anymore, unless Uzogh continues to call me a liar for asking him inconvenient questions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Uzogh, my comment above now shows, so you will see that, per your request, I already did my &#8220;recount&#8221; much earlier today (6:35 PM). Perhaps now you will answer my question? If not, I guess my point has been proven anyway, by you. </p>
<p>Observer, I will not bore you and the rest with this anymore, unless Uzogh continues to call me a liar for asking him inconvenient questions.</p>
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		<title>By: AH</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 17:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ace here we differ.  First I think that thinking that you are using someone (but in fact being used) rarely brings about (good) change.  So, I disagree with the premise that the prescription for improvement lies in the &quot;use me as a battering ram&quot; theory.

Second, I do not think that the improvements we have today are due to ltp&#039;s reawakening,  This is like saying that the improvements in Germany in the 50s were due to Hitler.

I think there are lots of roads to improvement.  It is all about choice, conviction, and values.

And as far as &quot;killing their own&quot;, sadly this rule has been broken during Soviet times, during LTP&#039;s times, and once again earlier this year, where both policemen and civilians were killed because certain forces upped the ante until there was predictable clashes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ace here we differ.  First I think that thinking that you are using someone (but in fact being used) rarely brings about (good) change.  So, I disagree with the premise that the prescription for improvement lies in the &#8220;use me as a battering ram&#8221; theory.</p>
<p>Second, I do not think that the improvements we have today are due to ltp&#8217;s reawakening,  This is like saying that the improvements in Germany in the 50s were due to Hitler.</p>
<p>I think there are lots of roads to improvement.  It is all about choice, conviction, and values.</p>
<p>And as far as &#8220;killing their own&#8221;, sadly this rule has been broken during Soviet times, during LTP&#8217;s times, and once again earlier this year, where both policemen and civilians were killed because certain forces upped the ante until there was predictable clashes.</p>
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		<title>By: uzogh</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/05/07/divided-blogosphere-on-united-opposition-leader-levon-ter-petrossians-conciliatory-speech/#comment-10635</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[uzogh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 16:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Ani - recount the answers.
And there will be no lies from you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ani &#8211; recount the answers.<br />
And there will be no lies from you.</p>
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		<title>By: Ani</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/05/07/divided-blogosphere-on-united-opposition-leader-levon-ter-petrossians-conciliatory-speech/#comment-10634</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ani]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 15:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Observer, I&#039;m sorry you felt you needed to put me on moderation. I am responding to Uzogh, who very strangely said I was lying, though I simply asked him a direct question, which he did not answer, and which was related to something he said on Hetq that they did not follow up on. I think that you will agree that accountability is what the government has lacked in the past and in the present, and if Armenia does not want to be considered a pariah country, accountability must start now. Without a free press, though, it is very difficult to achieve, which is why I don&#039;t like to see good-willed people like you and Onnik have to self-censor and compromise, or be co-opted and &#039;come to an arrangement&quot; like so many Armenians. Anyway, if you don&#039;t want me to stay here, that&#039;s okay, I&#039;ve enjoyed the time and the tussles, and, really, I&#039;ve tried to be positive and helpful as much as possible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Observer, I&#8217;m sorry you felt you needed to put me on moderation. I am responding to Uzogh, who very strangely said I was lying, though I simply asked him a direct question, which he did not answer, and which was related to something he said on Hetq that they did not follow up on. I think that you will agree that accountability is what the government has lacked in the past and in the present, and if Armenia does not want to be considered a pariah country, accountability must start now. Without a free press, though, it is very difficult to achieve, which is why I don&#8217;t like to see good-willed people like you and Onnik have to self-censor and compromise, or be co-opted and &#8216;come to an arrangement&#8221; like so many Armenians. Anyway, if you don&#8217;t want me to stay here, that&#8217;s okay, I&#8217;ve enjoyed the time and the tussles, and, really, I&#8217;ve tried to be positive and helpful as much as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: ace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 15:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sure would.  but if the circumstances were like they are today in armenia, i just might use the opportunity as a shield to bring real leaders into light, esp. with the technology on our side.  

that is, let this fool bush drive forward for whatever reasons he may have (which very well might be peace on earth, btw) and stand behind him as he fights the battles that in no conceivable version of the near future would real patriots and leaders have a chance to fight (no less win!).  

not a perfect situation, but a situation with a chance of succeeding versus the absurdity of letting it all play out with the current state of affairs.  plus, as it turned out, it worked somewhat.  if ltp didn&#039;t do all this, the focus and impetus would NOT be here today. 

no one in a million years thought an Armenian would break the rules and shoot on his own people.  no one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sure would.  but if the circumstances were like they are today in armenia, i just might use the opportunity as a shield to bring real leaders into light, esp. with the technology on our side.  </p>
<p>that is, let this fool bush drive forward for whatever reasons he may have (which very well might be peace on earth, btw) and stand behind him as he fights the battles that in no conceivable version of the near future would real patriots and leaders have a chance to fight (no less win!).  </p>
<p>not a perfect situation, but a situation with a chance of succeeding versus the absurdity of letting it all play out with the current state of affairs.  plus, as it turned out, it worked somewhat.  if ltp didn&#8217;t do all this, the focus and impetus would NOT be here today. </p>
<p>no one in a million years thought an Armenian would break the rules and shoot on his own people.  no one.</p>
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		<title>By: AH</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 14:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that it is irrelevant insofar that the problems today need addressing.  But if George W Bush comes tomorrow to preach about peace on earth, I&#039;ll think twice, wouldn&#039;t you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it is irrelevant insofar that the problems today need addressing.  But if George W Bush comes tomorrow to preach about peace on earth, I&#8217;ll think twice, wouldn&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: Тигран Кочарян</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Тигран Кочарян]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 14:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Onnik jan,levonakan&#039;s controls not only english segment of Internet,but also day.az,bakillar.az:)))
They got complete loose in Russian blogosphere and most of armenian,cause their lie were not accepted by most of Armenia-based people. Most of them,even afraid to meet and argue in open discussions(am I right Artur jan???) in their media-resourses.
They have a fear to defend their ideas,because mostly their postulates are illogical and dogmatic.
Some of them even thinks that if someone doesn&#039;t support Levon is equal to serjakan orserving for KGB.
Poor people,they believe that shaurma will save the world:)))]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Onnik jan,levonakan&#8217;s controls not only english segment of Internet,but also day.az,bakillar.az:)))<br />
They got complete loose in Russian blogosphere and most of armenian,cause their lie were not accepted by most of Armenia-based people. Most of them,even afraid to meet and argue in open discussions(am I right Artur jan???) in their media-resourses.<br />
They have a fear to defend their ideas,because mostly their postulates are illogical and dogmatic.<br />
Some of them even thinks that if someone doesn&#8217;t support Levon is equal to serjakan orserving for KGB.<br />
Poor people,they believe that shaurma will save the world:)))</p>
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