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	<title>Comments on: HENQ &#8211; one more youth initiative</title>
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		<title>By: youtharmenia</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/06/19/henq-one-more-youth-initiative/#comment-12123</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 20:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A very interesting initiative...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very interesting initiative&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Onnik Krikorian</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/06/19/henq-one-more-youth-initiative/#comment-11163</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Onnik Krikorian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, just noticed that Observer made it clear that the point was to initiate thoughts and discussion:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The group were supposed to stir interest about the content of the particular play, book, newspaper and engage in a discussion about issues like: ‘the government does not exist in vacuum’, ‘we are responsible for our state’, ‘we have to take responsability ourselves and try to correct the wrong we see’, ‘we should follow the rules, giving a bribe and saying this country is no good won’t solve anything’.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, unique ideas for Armenia, but ones that the citizens of this country need to adopt and accept as crucial for their own future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, just noticed that Observer made it clear that the point was to initiate thoughts and discussion:</p>
<blockquote><p>The group were supposed to stir interest about the content of the particular play, book, newspaper and engage in a discussion about issues like: ‘the government does not exist in vacuum’, ‘we are responsible for our state’, ‘we have to take responsability ourselves and try to correct the wrong we see’, ‘we should follow the rules, giving a bribe and saying this country is no good won’t solve anything’.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, unique ideas for Armenia, but ones that the citizens of this country need to adopt and accept as crucial for their own future.</p>
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		<title>By: Onnik Krikorian</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/06/19/henq-one-more-youth-initiative/#comment-11162</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Onnik Krikorian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the issue is not about what books and movies are available (although I would suggest that these are issues that do need to be resolved -- TV is crap and m reading is considered necessary for people&#039;s own development), but more raising thoughts in the minds of people that the ask for the books and movies. From what they said, some discussions were initiated and if you look at their first initiatives -- involving arguing about such issues as what is the state on buses so people eavesdrop as they usually do, but this time perhaps even having to think for themselves -- this seems to be the core purpose.

People really do need to think here, and while poverty is a huge problem it is not as bad as it was and there is a sizable segment of society that might not be rich, but is also not starving and needing to think about such issues and more than that, get involved. Actually, if you examine most of the core members of groups such as Sksela, Hima etc, many are working for international organizations, NGOs or IT companies and earning reasonable if not excellent salaries for Armenia. The secret, perhaps, for youth groups is to attract those who are &quot;comfortable&quot; financially and to use them to communicate new ideas etc.

Indeed, it could be argued that it is always a &quot;middle class&quot; that drives social change although yes, the impoverished masses need to follow them, However, it is wrong to say that the majority of people are hungry although I hope we are seeing the emergence of some part of society which is hungry for new ideas and ways of living. People can also set by example and force people to think -- about abiding by the rule of law, for example. This is vital for both government, opposition and citizens to understand.

Nevertheless, I agree that politics here is &quot;uncivilized,&quot; and the government and especially the radical opposition typified this. The latter instead played on the lowest common denominator in people -- anger, xenophobia etc -- in their campaign rather than with ideas so if actions like this can start a process where that situation changes, it should be welcomed. Yes, there are the poor and there are the rich, but there is also an increasing number of people in between who want something different than what&#039;s on offer on both sides of the political divide.

Of course, it won&#039;t be easy and it won&#039;t be quick and it might even fail, but we&#039;ll never know until we see. However, I think that there is the possibility that a small group might be thinking in different ways although yes, I have already pointed out my doubts about whether &quot;soft&quot; actions can work in this reality. On the other hand, we desperately need the government to allow more freedoms, the radical opposition to become less &quot;radical&quot; and more moderate, and probably the emergence of a third force in between.

If this albeit small group is just one among others representing the start of that, then good luck to them. But yes, after Sksela became politicized and with an absence of a true-pro-democracy movement in Armenia, I&#039;m not going to get too excited yet. Still, some of the concepts this group voice are fundamental to the development of Armenia. I hope it works.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the issue is not about what books and movies are available (although I would suggest that these are issues that do need to be resolved &#8212; TV is crap and m reading is considered necessary for people&#8217;s own development), but more raising thoughts in the minds of people that the ask for the books and movies. From what they said, some discussions were initiated and if you look at their first initiatives &#8212; involving arguing about such issues as what is the state on buses so people eavesdrop as they usually do, but this time perhaps even having to think for themselves &#8212; this seems to be the core purpose.</p>
<p>People really do need to think here, and while poverty is a huge problem it is not as bad as it was and there is a sizable segment of society that might not be rich, but is also not starving and needing to think about such issues and more than that, get involved. Actually, if you examine most of the core members of groups such as Sksela, Hima etc, many are working for international organizations, NGOs or IT companies and earning reasonable if not excellent salaries for Armenia. The secret, perhaps, for youth groups is to attract those who are &#8220;comfortable&#8221; financially and to use them to communicate new ideas etc.</p>
<p>Indeed, it could be argued that it is always a &#8220;middle class&#8221; that drives social change although yes, the impoverished masses need to follow them, However, it is wrong to say that the majority of people are hungry although I hope we are seeing the emergence of some part of society which is hungry for new ideas and ways of living. People can also set by example and force people to think &#8212; about abiding by the rule of law, for example. This is vital for both government, opposition and citizens to understand.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I agree that politics here is &#8220;uncivilized,&#8221; and the government and especially the radical opposition typified this. The latter instead played on the lowest common denominator in people &#8212; anger, xenophobia etc &#8212; in their campaign rather than with ideas so if actions like this can start a process where that situation changes, it should be welcomed. Yes, there are the poor and there are the rich, but there is also an increasing number of people in between who want something different than what&#8217;s on offer on both sides of the political divide.</p>
<p>Of course, it won&#8217;t be easy and it won&#8217;t be quick and it might even fail, but we&#8217;ll never know until we see. However, I think that there is the possibility that a small group might be thinking in different ways although yes, I have already pointed out my doubts about whether &#8220;soft&#8221; actions can work in this reality. On the other hand, we desperately need the government to allow more freedoms, the radical opposition to become less &#8220;radical&#8221; and more moderate, and probably the emergence of a third force in between.</p>
<p>If this albeit small group is just one among others representing the start of that, then good luck to them. But yes, after Sksela became politicized and with an absence of a true-pro-democracy movement in Armenia, I&#8217;m not going to get too excited yet. Still, some of the concepts this group voice are fundamental to the development of Armenia. I hope it works.</p>
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		<title>By: MAsis</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/06/19/henq-one-more-youth-initiative/#comment-11161</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MAsis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Pat,
People WERE hungry in Armenia during LTP&#039;s government, not now! Maybe your info is too old! People do care for their future and have a willingness to move forward!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Pat,<br />
People WERE hungry in Armenia during LTP&#8217;s government, not now! Maybe your info is too old! People do care for their future and have a willingness to move forward!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/06/19/henq-one-more-youth-initiative/#comment-11160</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 07:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well i think this form of action if effective in a normal country , but for a uncivilised country like Armenia  i dont think it is so effective ? People are hungry ...... so the question of what tye of movies or books are available ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well i think this form of action if effective in a normal country , but for a uncivilised country like Armenia  i dont think it is so effective ? People are hungry &#8230;&#8230; so the question of what tye of movies or books are available &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Armenia: New Youth Initiative Action</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/06/19/henq-one-more-youth-initiative/#comment-11154</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Global Voices Online &#187; Armenia: New Youth Initiative Action]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Armenian Observer reports on the second action staged by the newly formed HENQ Youth Initiative while my The Caucasian Knot also covers the flash mob staged today in the Armenian capital and [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Armenian Observer reports on the second action staged by the newly formed HENQ Youth Initiative while my The Caucasian Knot also covers the flash mob staged today in the Armenian capital and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Armenia &#38; the South Caucasus &#124; The Caucasian Knot &#187; Blog Archive &#187; HENQ &#8212; Vonts, Chuneq?</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/06/19/henq-one-more-youth-initiative/#comment-11153</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Armenia &#38; the South Caucasus &#124; The Caucasian Knot &#187; Blog Archive &#187; HENQ &#8212; Vonts, Chuneq?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to be said that the action was not so well attended, but Observer says he was suitably impressed albeit with some reservations. The action, called “Vonts, chuneq?” (”You don’t have it?”), is based on principle of [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to be said that the action was not so well attended, but Observer says he was suitably impressed albeit with some reservations. The action, called “Vonts, chuneq?” (”You don’t have it?”), is based on principle of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Onnik Krikorian</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/06/19/henq-one-more-youth-initiative/#comment-11152</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Onnik Krikorian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BTW: The Seven Principles of Hetq:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Principles of HENQ Youth Initiative

Henq it deep, or go to sleep.

The national-civic worldview of HENQ is constituted of three basic points:

1. We are the State.
2. The interest of the State is our interest.
3. The responsibility of the State is our responsibility.

The civic lifestyle of HENQ is based on four main principles:

1. To value and respect our State, and thus value and respect ourselves.
2. To follow and respect the laws of our State, and thus respect each other.
3. To participate in elections and public discussions.
4. To do volunteer work and develop the State’s interests, that is, our interes&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW: The Seven Principles of Hetq:</p>
<blockquote><p>Principles of HENQ Youth Initiative</p>
<p>Henq it deep, or go to sleep.</p>
<p>The national-civic worldview of HENQ is constituted of three basic points:</p>
<p>1. We are the State.<br />
2. The interest of the State is our interest.<br />
3. The responsibility of the State is our responsibility.</p>
<p>The civic lifestyle of HENQ is based on four main principles:</p>
<p>1. To value and respect our State, and thus value and respect ourselves.<br />
2. To follow and respect the laws of our State, and thus respect each other.<br />
3. To participate in elections and public discussions.<br />
4. To do volunteer work and develop the State’s interests, that is, our interes</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Onnik Krikorian</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/06/19/henq-one-more-youth-initiative/#comment-11151</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Onnik Krikorian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just to say that I was unsure about the &quot;soft&quot; nature of the action at the beginning, but at the end when Observer asked one of the girls a question about the presidency, I was quite impressed by the response. It meant she was thinking and more than that, she was thinking in ways I haven&#039;t encountered among many people in the past.

Is something changing in this new generation? I don&#039;t know, but I hope so.

Anyway, I also received this from Vahagn, so to set the record straight.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I am actually not an initiator but [...] I do participate in ALL they do, from here, by sharing whatever i have in my mind and soul, and I bvelieve this is when the real Teghapoxutyun can start...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, if they can think out of the box albeit in a somewhat localized fashion then there&#039;s a glimmer of hope. Like I said, the answer to the question Observer asked was a breath of fresh air given the polarized nature of election politics these days. 

And perhaps that&#039;s really where the change does start. With ideas and thoughts rather than slogans which conceal a lack of either. Dunno. Let&#039;s see.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to say that I was unsure about the &#8220;soft&#8221; nature of the action at the beginning, but at the end when Observer asked one of the girls a question about the presidency, I was quite impressed by the response. It meant she was thinking and more than that, she was thinking in ways I haven&#8217;t encountered among many people in the past.</p>
<p>Is something changing in this new generation? I don&#8217;t know, but I hope so.</p>
<p>Anyway, I also received this from Vahagn, so to set the record straight.</p>
<blockquote><p>I am actually not an initiator but [...] I do participate in ALL they do, from here, by sharing whatever i have in my mind and soul, and I bvelieve this is when the real Teghapoxutyun can start&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, if they can think out of the box albeit in a somewhat localized fashion then there&#8217;s a glimmer of hope. Like I said, the answer to the question Observer asked was a breath of fresh air given the polarized nature of election politics these days. </p>
<p>And perhaps that&#8217;s really where the change does start. With ideas and thoughts rather than slogans which conceal a lack of either. Dunno. Let&#8217;s see.</p>
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		<title>By: Vahagn</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/06/19/henq-one-more-youth-initiative/#comment-11150</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vahagn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also share the idea of diversity being a very important value, and I hope this groupp will be strong enough to not stop itself on the half way........ I wish them lots of work and fun to achieve their goals:)!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also share the idea of diversity being a very important value, and I hope this groupp will be strong enough to not stop itself on the half way&#8230;&#8230;.. I wish them lots of work and fun to achieve their goals:)!</p>
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		<title>By: Tamar</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/06/19/henq-one-more-youth-initiative/#comment-11149</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tamar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Arthur for this post!  I&#039;ve been waiting to hear from the blogosphere about the group and their actions and I anticipate and hope there will be more about similar groups in the future.   Frankly, I think there are positive developments happening within the youth movement and this is certainly one of them.  

And kudos to all of those who are supporting such efforts.  Change cannot happen overnight .  I hope Armenian youth can begin to grasp this concept.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Arthur for this post!  I&#8217;ve been waiting to hear from the blogosphere about the group and their actions and I anticipate and hope there will be more about similar groups in the future.   Frankly, I think there are positive developments happening within the youth movement and this is certainly one of them.  </p>
<p>And kudos to all of those who are supporting such efforts.  Change cannot happen overnight .  I hope Armenian youth can begin to grasp this concept.</p>
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