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	<title>Comments on: Abkhazia, South Ossetia to become a measure of Russia&#8217;s international influence</title>
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	<description>notes and observations on democracy, politics, economy and sport related news about Armenia and Armenians</description>
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		<title>By: Armen</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/08/26/abkhazia-south-ossetia-to-become-a-measure-of-russias-international-influence/#comment-11959</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Armen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Events in Georgia show how grave was danger for Armenia in March.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Events in Georgia show how grave was danger for Armenia in March.</p>
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		<title>By: Ani</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/08/26/abkhazia-south-ossetia-to-become-a-measure-of-russias-international-influence/#comment-11949</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ani]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Highly recommended (by me, at least!) major analytical article in the new issue of the New York Review of Books: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21772

Georgia and the Balance of Power
By George Friedman
The Russian invasion of Georgia has not changed the balance of power in Eurasia. It has simply announced that the balance of power had already shifted. The United States has been absorbed in its wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as potential conflict with Iran and a destabilizing situation in Pakistan. It has no strategic ground forces in reserve and is in no position to intervene on the Russian periphery. This has opened an opportunity for the Russians to reassert their influence in the former Soviet sphere. Moscow did not have to concern itself with the potential response of the United States or Europe; hence, the balance of power had already shifted, and it was up to the Russians when to make this public. They did that on August 8.

[...]

George Friedman is Founder and CEO of Stratfor, a private intelligence company publishing geopolitical and security analysis at www.stratfor.com. He is author of America&#039;s Secret War . His new book, The Next Hundred Years , will be published in January 2009.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Highly recommended (by me, at least!) major analytical article in the new issue of the New York Review of Books: <a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21772" rel="nofollow">http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21772</a></p>
<p>Georgia and the Balance of Power<br />
By George Friedman<br />
The Russian invasion of Georgia has not changed the balance of power in Eurasia. It has simply announced that the balance of power had already shifted. The United States has been absorbed in its wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as potential conflict with Iran and a destabilizing situation in Pakistan. It has no strategic ground forces in reserve and is in no position to intervene on the Russian periphery. This has opened an opportunity for the Russians to reassert their influence in the former Soviet sphere. Moscow did not have to concern itself with the potential response of the United States or Europe; hence, the balance of power had already shifted, and it was up to the Russians when to make this public. They did that on August 8.</p>
<p>[...]</p>
<p>George Friedman is Founder and CEO of Stratfor, a private intelligence company publishing geopolitical and security analysis at <a href="http://www.stratfor.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.stratfor.com</a>. He is author of America&#8217;s Secret War . His new book, The Next Hundred Years , will be published in January 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: Onnik Krikorian</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/08/26/abkhazia-south-ossetia-to-become-a-measure-of-russias-international-influence/#comment-11948</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Onnik Krikorian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ani, yep, this was a particular problem with what happened in Georgia and of course, we know it happens everywhere. The first casualty in EVERY war is the truth.

Still, although the Georgian side also spread misinformation and propaganda, the initial casualty figure from the Russian side was truly outrageous.

It tried to shape public opinion even though it would eventually be discredited and shown to be false. Not to say that Saakashvili didn&#039;t behave like a madman -- he truly did.

But anyway...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ani, yep, this was a particular problem with what happened in Georgia and of course, we know it happens everywhere. The first casualty in EVERY war is the truth.</p>
<p>Still, although the Georgian side also spread misinformation and propaganda, the initial casualty figure from the Russian side was truly outrageous.</p>
<p>It tried to shape public opinion even though it would eventually be discredited and shown to be false. Not to say that Saakashvili didn&#8217;t behave like a madman &#8212; he truly did.</p>
<p>But anyway&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ani</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/08/26/abkhazia-south-ossetia-to-become-a-measure-of-russias-international-influence/#comment-11947</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ani]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a good blogpost that contains a term we should file away for future use:

http://ivonotes.wordpress.com/2008/09/11/information-vertigo-citizen-media-and-the-south-ossetian-conflict/

[...]
In an environment where primary sources of information are opaque and of uncertain reliability (and perception is key here), we encounter the phenomenon of information vertigo.

Information vertigo is the sickening feeling you get when you recognize that nothing reported can truly be verified. Mass media, ostensible eyewitness reports, images, video, documents: all blends into a mush of hearsay when root sources of information have been corrupted.

In the absence of a sense of what to trust, we develop a frantic, aggressive assertion toward what we think we know. This would be possible to puncture with facts if there were any to be found. But with a tipping point of misinformation, or disinformation, it’s difficult to judge when data is accurate. 
[...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a good blogpost that contains a term we should file away for future use:</p>
<p><a href="http://ivonotes.wordpress.com/2008/09/11/information-vertigo-citizen-media-and-the-south-ossetian-conflict/" rel="nofollow">http://ivonotes.wordpress.com/2008/09/11/information-vertigo-citizen-media-and-the-south-ossetian-conflict/</a></p>
<p>[...]<br />
In an environment where primary sources of information are opaque and of uncertain reliability (and perception is key here), we encounter the phenomenon of information vertigo.</p>
<p>Information vertigo is the sickening feeling you get when you recognize that nothing reported can truly be verified. Mass media, ostensible eyewitness reports, images, video, documents: all blends into a mush of hearsay when root sources of information have been corrupted.</p>
<p>In the absence of a sense of what to trust, we develop a frantic, aggressive assertion toward what we think we know. This would be possible to puncture with facts if there were any to be found. But with a tipping point of misinformation, or disinformation, it’s difficult to judge when data is accurate.<br />
[...]</p>
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		<title>By: Onnik Krikorian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Onnik Krikorian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Russia&#039;s casualty figure in Georgia disputed
From the Associated Press, From the Associated Press
September 12, 2008
MOSCOW -- Fewer than 100 civilians died in Georgia&#039;s breakaway province of South Ossetia during last month&#039;s conflict, human rights activists said Thursday, a far smaller number than Russian and South Ossetian officials have claimed.

Tatiana Lokshina, a Russian researcher for the U.S.-based group Human Rights Watch, said trips to a hospital, a cemetery and conversations with residents failed to corroborate claims by Russia and its South Ossetian allies that 1,500 and even as many as 2,000 civilians were killed.

Russian prosecutors have refrained from comment until their investigation of civilian deaths is complete.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russia&#8217;s casualty figure in Georgia disputed<br />
From the Associated Press, From the Associated Press<br />
September 12, 2008<br />
MOSCOW &#8212; Fewer than 100 civilians died in Georgia&#8217;s breakaway province of South Ossetia during last month&#8217;s conflict, human rights activists said Thursday, a far smaller number than Russian and South Ossetian officials have claimed.</p>
<p>Tatiana Lokshina, a Russian researcher for the U.S.-based group Human Rights Watch, said trips to a hospital, a cemetery and conversations with residents failed to corroborate claims by Russia and its South Ossetian allies that 1,500 and even as many as 2,000 civilians were killed.</p>
<p>Russian prosecutors have refrained from comment until their investigation of civilian deaths is complete.</p>
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		<title>By: Ani</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/08/26/abkhazia-south-ossetia-to-become-a-measure-of-russias-international-influence/#comment-11928</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ani]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Armenian National Congress spokesman Levon Zurabian today came out with an important announcement on the major question concerning some Armenian bloggers:

&quot;Ostrich&#039;s Policy Is Not Helpful&quot;
http://www.a1plus.am/en/?page=issue&amp;id=63721

(I just had to, it was just getting too grim around here...)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Armenian National Congress spokesman Levon Zurabian today came out with an important announcement on the major question concerning some Armenian bloggers:</p>
<p>&#8220;Ostrich&#8217;s Policy Is Not Helpful&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.a1plus.am/en/?page=issue&#038;id=63721" rel="nofollow">http://www.a1plus.am/en/?page=issue&#038;id=63721</a></p>
<p>(I just had to, it was just getting too grim around here&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Тигран Кочарян</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Тигран Кочарян]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 20:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://markgrigorian.livejournal.com/220669.html

Ani jan,sorry for wrong link.
In my opinion,evil should be punished ,otherwise we will have second Adolf.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://markgrigorian.livejournal.com/220669.html" rel="nofollow">http://markgrigorian.livejournal.com/220669.html</a></p>
<p>Ani jan,sorry for wrong link.<br />
In my opinion,evil should be punished ,otherwise we will have second Adolf.</p>
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		<title>By: Ani</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/08/26/abkhazia-south-ossetia-to-become-a-measure-of-russias-international-influence/#comment-11916</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ani]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That link says this: Page Not Found
I&#039;m sorry, you&#039;ve reached a page that I cannot find. I&#039;m really sorry about this. It&#039;s kind of embarassing. Here you are, the user, trying to get to a page on LiveJournal and I can&#039;t even serve it to you. What does that say about me? I&#039;m just a webserver. My sole purpose in life is to serve you webpages and I can&#039;t even do that! 
--------------------
Guess you&#039;d better check with Mark??

Anyway, &quot;opposition&quot; isn&#039;t my characterization, it&#039;s the one that a couple thousand stories are using. And I think it&#039;s fair, whatever his particular brand of wackoism was. And if everyone with a racist website was taken away by police and shot in the head, there would be a lot a funerals going on around the world. It ain&#039;t a pretty thing that&#039;s happening in Russia now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That link says this: Page Not Found<br />
I&#8217;m sorry, you&#8217;ve reached a page that I cannot find. I&#8217;m really sorry about this. It&#8217;s kind of embarassing. Here you are, the user, trying to get to a page on LiveJournal and I can&#8217;t even serve it to you. What does that say about me? I&#8217;m just a webserver. My sole purpose in life is to serve you webpages and I can&#8217;t even do that!<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Guess you&#8217;d better check with Mark??</p>
<p>Anyway, &#8220;opposition&#8221; isn&#8217;t my characterization, it&#8217;s the one that a couple thousand stories are using. And I think it&#8217;s fair, whatever his particular brand of wackoism was. And if everyone with a racist website was taken away by police and shot in the head, there would be a lot a funerals going on around the world. It ain&#8217;t a pretty thing that&#8217;s happening in Russia now.</p>
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		<title>By: Tigran Kocharyan</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/08/26/abkhazia-south-ossetia-to-become-a-measure-of-russias-international-influence/#comment-11913</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tigran Kocharyan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ani jan,the person,you mentioned is usual xenofob and there is no need to claim him as an opposition .
This site ingushetiya.ru for a l ng time was had a fascistic antiossetian contest,full of lie If you know russian you can read very interesting discussion here http://markgrigorian.livejournal.com/220669.htm were the owner of the journal changed his positive opinion about the site to negative.
Anyway killing is not good,but claiming Evloev as an oppositioner at least funny.

Moreover,today georgians accepted the use of prohibited cluster bombs in Ossetia.
Waiting for Patrick Worm response:)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ani jan,the person,you mentioned is usual xenofob and there is no need to claim him as an opposition .<br />
This site ingushetiya.ru for a l ng time was had a fascistic antiossetian contest,full of lie If you know russian you can read very interesting discussion here <a href="http://markgrigorian.livejournal.com/220669.htm" rel="nofollow">http://markgrigorian.livejournal.com/220669.htm</a> were the owner of the journal changed his positive opinion about the site to negative.<br />
Anyway killing is not good,but claiming Evloev as an oppositioner at least funny.</p>
<p>Moreover,today georgians accepted the use of prohibited cluster bombs in Ossetia.<br />
Waiting for Patrick Worm response:)</p>
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		<title>By: Onnik Krikorian</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/08/26/abkhazia-south-ossetia-to-become-a-measure-of-russias-international-influence/#comment-11912</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Onnik Krikorian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 06:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ani, interesting. On Thursday I had an informal chat with a diplomat here and concerns were expressed about what might now happen Ingushetia. Dagestan was another.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ani, interesting. On Thursday I had an informal chat with a diplomat here and concerns were expressed about what might now happen Ingushetia. Dagestan was another.</p>
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		<title>By: Ani</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ani]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All I can say is, be careful out there--just came back and looked at the news and now there&#039;s this one--note this story is not from US or Europe, but from Dubai:

http://www.gulfnews.com/world/Russia/10241508.html
 
Owner of Russian opposition website killed 

08/31/2008 11:24 PM &#124; Agencies

Nazran, Russia: The owner of an opposition Internet news site in Russia&#039;s troubled Ingushetia region was shot dead on Sunday after police detained him, his colleagues said. 

Magomed Yevloyev, owner of the Ingushetiya.ru Internet site, was a vocal critic of the region&#039;s Kremlin-backed administration which is accused by critics of crushing dissent and free speech. 

Interfax quoted the Russian prosecutor&#039;s office as saying an investigation into the death had been launched. 

Ingusheti is an Autonomous republic of the Russian Federation, on the northern slopes of the Caucasus mountains.

A posting on Yevloyev&#039;s site - which has been the subject of repeated official attempts to close it down - said he was shot after police detained him when he landed in Ingushetia&#039;s airport. 

It said he was taken to hospital but died from his injuries. The site also called on &quot;all those who are not indifferent&quot; to his killing to gather for a demonstration in Nazran, Ingushetia&#039;s biggest town. 

&quot;A preliminary investigation has been launched into the death of M. Yevloyev,&quot; Interfax news agency quoted Vladimir Markin, a spokesman for the investigations unit of the Prosecutor General&#039;s Office in Moscow as saying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say is, be careful out there&#8211;just came back and looked at the news and now there&#8217;s this one&#8211;note this story is not from US or Europe, but from Dubai:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gulfnews.com/world/Russia/10241508.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.gulfnews.com/world/Russia/10241508.html</a></p>
<p>Owner of Russian opposition website killed </p>
<p>08/31/2008 11:24 PM | Agencies</p>
<p>Nazran, Russia: The owner of an opposition Internet news site in Russia&#8217;s troubled Ingushetia region was shot dead on Sunday after police detained him, his colleagues said. </p>
<p>Magomed Yevloyev, owner of the Ingushetiya.ru Internet site, was a vocal critic of the region&#8217;s Kremlin-backed administration which is accused by critics of crushing dissent and free speech. </p>
<p>Interfax quoted the Russian prosecutor&#8217;s office as saying an investigation into the death had been launched. </p>
<p>Ingusheti is an Autonomous republic of the Russian Federation, on the northern slopes of the Caucasus mountains.</p>
<p>A posting on Yevloyev&#8217;s site &#8211; which has been the subject of repeated official attempts to close it down &#8211; said he was shot after police detained him when he landed in Ingushetia&#8217;s airport. </p>
<p>It said he was taken to hospital but died from his injuries. The site also called on &#8220;all those who are not indifferent&#8221; to his killing to gather for a demonstration in Nazran, Ingushetia&#8217;s biggest town. </p>
<p>&#8220;A preliminary investigation has been launched into the death of M. Yevloyev,&#8221; Interfax news agency quoted Vladimir Markin, a spokesman for the investigations unit of the Prosecutor General&#8217;s Office in Moscow as saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Тигран Кочарян</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Тигран Кочарян]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Onnik,for sure in any conflict both side are guilty.
By the way,I am in touch with all possible source of information,fortunately LJ allows to follow issues from different sides. Of course,I believe that you are honest journalist and you are not biased,as many of russia and american journalists.
I am not prorussian at all,more precisely I am pro-ossetian and pro-abkhazian,and the only positive otcomes for me,that next time some georgian shovinists will think longer begore starting the same in Javakhk.
And of course,for me,Russia interference into this conflict postponed possible atack of azeris for a long time.
Ani jan,thnks for link,just another from my side:)
http://www.iwpr.net/?p=crs&amp;s=f&amp;o=346117&amp;apc_state=henpcrs]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Onnik,for sure in any conflict both side are guilty.<br />
By the way,I am in touch with all possible source of information,fortunately LJ allows to follow issues from different sides. Of course,I believe that you are honest journalist and you are not biased,as many of russia and american journalists.<br />
I am not prorussian at all,more precisely I am pro-ossetian and pro-abkhazian,and the only positive otcomes for me,that next time some georgian shovinists will think longer begore starting the same in Javakhk.<br />
And of course,for me,Russia interference into this conflict postponed possible atack of azeris for a long time.<br />
Ani jan,thnks for link,just another from my side:)<br />
<a href="http://www.iwpr.net/?p=crs&#038;s=f&#038;o=346117&#038;apc_state=henpcrs" rel="nofollow">http://www.iwpr.net/?p=crs&#038;s=f&#038;o=346117&#038;apc_state=henpcrs</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ani</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/08/26/abkhazia-south-ossetia-to-become-a-measure-of-russias-international-influence/#comment-11901</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ani]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Putting faces on the independent Georgian reporters who died, here are obituaries from the Institute for War and Peace Reporting: 

http://www.iwpr.net/EN-crs-f-346195]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putting faces on the independent Georgian reporters who died, here are obituaries from the Institute for War and Peace Reporting: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.iwpr.net/EN-crs-f-346195" rel="nofollow">http://www.iwpr.net/EN-crs-f-346195</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ani</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/08/26/abkhazia-south-ossetia-to-become-a-measure-of-russias-international-influence/#comment-11900</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ani]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also on Khosq, Tigran, I put a story from a New York Times reporter who apparently was let into South Ossetia, but whose &quot;sunny story&quot; somehow I don&#039;t think reflects an accurate assessment--previous ref I made was to Times of London story, sorry. Anyway, apparently there are Western reporters up there now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also on Khosq, Tigran, I put a story from a New York Times reporter who apparently was let into South Ossetia, but whose &#8220;sunny story&#8221; somehow I don&#8217;t think reflects an accurate assessment&#8211;previous ref I made was to Times of London story, sorry. Anyway, apparently there are Western reporters up there now.</p>
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		<title>By: Ani</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/08/26/abkhazia-south-ossetia-to-become-a-measure-of-russias-international-influence/#comment-11899</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ani]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Artur, the words on your &quot;moderated&quot; list so accurately describe this conflict, it&#039;s no wonder our comments aren&#039;t going through (!)

Times reported a couple of days ago that plans were already in place to incorporate South Ossetia and Abkhazia into a Russian federation and to build military bases. I put the link into a comment on Khosq, so you can read it there if you want.

Fingers crossed that &quot;Khosq&quot; is not a moderated term...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artur, the words on your &#8220;moderated&#8221; list so accurately describe this conflict, it&#8217;s no wonder our comments aren&#8217;t going through (!)</p>
<p>Times reported a couple of days ago that plans were already in place to incorporate South Ossetia and Abkhazia into a Russian federation and to build military bases. I put the link into a comment on Khosq, so you can read it there if you want.</p>
<p>Fingers crossed that &#8220;Khosq&#8221; is not a moderated term&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/08/26/abkhazia-south-ossetia-to-become-a-measure-of-russias-international-influence/#comment-11898</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Observer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just removed the word &#039;kill&#039; from the moderation list. I think that caused the last two moderations. Also added livejournal to the safe list. I think when it was seeing Tigran&#039;s blog address in the URL field as livejournal, it was blocking him. Sorry for the inconvenience, guys.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just removed the word &#8216;kill&#8217; from the moderation list. I think that caused the last two moderations. Also added livejournal to the safe list. I think when it was seeing Tigran&#8217;s blog address in the URL field as livejournal, it was blocking him. Sorry for the inconvenience, guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/08/26/abkhazia-south-ossetia-to-become-a-measure-of-russias-international-influence/#comment-11897</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Observer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Onnik jan - I&#039;ve blocked words like idiot, fool, kill, murder, etc. It also blocks IPs and servers which are on Akismet Antispam engines database, but I have no idea how the damn thing works :( It even blocks my comments from time to time, especially when connected via Armentel dial-up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Onnik jan &#8211; I&#8217;ve blocked words like idiot, fool, kill, murder, etc. It also blocks IPs and servers which are on Akismet Antispam engines database, but I have no idea how the damn thing works :( It even blocks my comments from time to time, especially when connected via Armentel dial-up.</p>
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		<title>By: Onnik Krikorian</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/08/26/abkhazia-south-ossetia-to-become-a-measure-of-russias-international-influence/#comment-11896</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Onnik Krikorian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BTW: What is it with this moderation? I know anything with links in seems to be moderated, but short comments go through. Longer comments don&#039;t. Observer, perhaps you can let us know how the moderation is working so we can keep it in mind when commenting?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW: What is it with this moderation? I know anything with links in seems to be moderated, but short comments go through. Longer comments don&#8217;t. Observer, perhaps you can let us know how the moderation is working so we can keep it in mind when commenting?</p>
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		<title>By: Onnik Krikorian</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/08/26/abkhazia-south-ossetia-to-become-a-measure-of-russias-international-influence/#comment-11895</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Onnik Krikorian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tigran, both sides did many things wrong before the conflict started -- and were both responsible for it escalating -- just as they continue to do so even now. However, the continued occupation of parts of Georgia in contravention of the six-point ceasefire agreement as well as the ethnic cleansing of Georgian villages in South Ossetia seems to be the most significant in the post-war environment.

Regardless, you asked me why I wasn&#039;t in Tskhinvali and I&#039;ve told you. It was impossible from the Georgian side unless you want to be shot at or killed (as some journalists were -- others were detained) and it wasn&#039;t exactly easy to get into Gori when the Russians were there.

Fact is, the Russians controlled media and even attacked them. At other times, they simply refused to let them pass. Only journalists officially allowed into South Ossetia when I was there were those traveling from the North with Russian accreditation. Georgians didn&#039;t require any accreditation at all and restricted none of us.

I&#039;ve also mentioned that the initial figures from Moscow about thousands of civilians dead in South Ossetia were later found out to be false -- by Moscow&#039;s own admission. It is now officially at 133 although I daresay it will increase as the region opens up.

Anyway, long and the short of it is that Armenians have taken the Russian side and are believing the propaganda from a State-controlled media which doesn&#039;t have the diversity that the West is fortunate to have. That&#039;s not to say all reporting from the latter hasn&#039;t been partisan either.

However, what seems to be the case is that this conflict was one which could have been avoided, but brinkmanship was the order of the day from both the Georgian and Russian sides. It was a stupid and pointless conflict and everyone is to blame for it -- the Georgian and Russian leaderships, in particular, but also the U.S. and Europe.

Now I just hope the Russian troops will withdraw from parts of Georgia outside of South Ossetia and Abkhazia as well as see the deployment of a truly international peacekeeping force to separate the various sides. 

Then, perhaps, we can all move on. Georgia has lost South Ossetia and Abkhazia through recklessness, but make no mistake that the Russians were ready for it, probably wanted an excuse to invade, and sent out a lot of false information to justify their actions.

The casualty figures were the best example of that. However, some concern has to be shown for the ethnic Georgian villages in South Ossetia although I daresay, like Abkhazia, the ethnic cleansing will be successful because nobody wants to see a direct military confrontation between the U.S., Europe and Russia.

Saakashvili is a hot-head nationalist, and the Russians knew it. Putin is a hardliner and willing to crush anyone who stands up to him. Both were a recipe for disaster. And a disaster in which civilians on both sides suffered is precisely what we got.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tigran, both sides did many things wrong before the conflict started &#8212; and were both responsible for it escalating &#8212; just as they continue to do so even now. However, the continued occupation of parts of Georgia in contravention of the six-point ceasefire agreement as well as the ethnic cleansing of Georgian villages in South Ossetia seems to be the most significant in the post-war environment.</p>
<p>Regardless, you asked me why I wasn&#8217;t in Tskhinvali and I&#8217;ve told you. It was impossible from the Georgian side unless you want to be shot at or killed (as some journalists were &#8212; others were detained) and it wasn&#8217;t exactly easy to get into Gori when the Russians were there.</p>
<p>Fact is, the Russians controlled media and even attacked them. At other times, they simply refused to let them pass. Only journalists officially allowed into South Ossetia when I was there were those traveling from the North with Russian accreditation. Georgians didn&#8217;t require any accreditation at all and restricted none of us.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also mentioned that the initial figures from Moscow about thousands of civilians dead in South Ossetia were later found out to be false &#8212; by Moscow&#8217;s own admission. It is now officially at 133 although I daresay it will increase as the region opens up.</p>
<p>Anyway, long and the short of it is that Armenians have taken the Russian side and are believing the propaganda from a State-controlled media which doesn&#8217;t have the diversity that the West is fortunate to have. That&#8217;s not to say all reporting from the latter hasn&#8217;t been partisan either.</p>
<p>However, what seems to be the case is that this conflict was one which could have been avoided, but brinkmanship was the order of the day from both the Georgian and Russian sides. It was a stupid and pointless conflict and everyone is to blame for it &#8212; the Georgian and Russian leaderships, in particular, but also the U.S. and Europe.</p>
<p>Now I just hope the Russian troops will withdraw from parts of Georgia outside of South Ossetia and Abkhazia as well as see the deployment of a truly international peacekeeping force to separate the various sides. </p>
<p>Then, perhaps, we can all move on. Georgia has lost South Ossetia and Abkhazia through recklessness, but make no mistake that the Russians were ready for it, probably wanted an excuse to invade, and sent out a lot of false information to justify their actions.</p>
<p>The casualty figures were the best example of that. However, some concern has to be shown for the ethnic Georgian villages in South Ossetia although I daresay, like Abkhazia, the ethnic cleansing will be successful because nobody wants to see a direct military confrontation between the U.S., Europe and Russia.</p>
<p>Saakashvili is a hot-head nationalist, and the Russians knew it. Putin is a hardliner and willing to crush anyone who stands up to him. Both were a recipe for disaster. And a disaster in which civilians on both sides suffered is precisely what we got.</p>
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		<title>By: Тигран Кочарян</title>
		<link>http://ditord.com/2008/08/26/abkhazia-south-ossetia-to-become-a-measure-of-russias-international-influence/#comment-11892</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Тигран Кочарян]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Onnik all domains .ru are restricted in Georgia.
No russian-language broadcast there.
My previous comment is moderated again:(]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Onnik all domains .ru are restricted in Georgia.<br />
No russian-language broadcast there.<br />
My previous comment is moderated again:(</p>
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