“I’m Independent, What About You?”

HENQ, an Armenian youth movement aimed at developing statehood awareness and civic lifestyle, asked me for an interview a couple of months ago. They asked a couple of important questions about Armenia’s independence and statehood. I happily responded. Turns out the HENQ guys went out and asked the same questions to a bunch of famous and not-so-famous people and put together a short 8-minute movie (in Armenian).

It features environmental activist Mariam Sukhudyan, Public TV anchor and head of “Banadzev” TV production company Artak Aleksanyan, The Armenian Observer, Radio Van anchor and showman Egor Glumov, Director of the Civilitas Foundation Salpi Ghazarian, Rev. Aram Manukian.

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16 thoughts on ““I’m Independent, What About You?”

  1. I love that everyone was featured in their respective environment: Mariam surrounded by trees, you with your netbook, Artak Aleksanyan in his TV studio. I agree with you too, especially your first statement about complaining: it’s true we complain, but that’s only because we want to change things and see things get better. By the way, do you think they’ll get English subtitles? It would be great and of course, I could help ;)

    Oh, and you’ve got another typo: “head of Banadzev TV” not “hehad” ;)))

    1. why should there be english sub-titleing?
      it is an Armenian video with Armenian interviewees in ARMENIA
      if those who claim to be Hay can not understand it, then ara they should go LEARN Hayeren, che !!!!!!! yete nranq uzum en haskanal, gone tox sovoren mer anush mayr lezvi vor gone menq ayl karoxananq irenc asenq: ayo nranq Hay en, Hayeren en xosum u kardum

      It was good video, I enjoyed to hear what all of them had to say
      I never seen Artur (Observer/Ditord) speak before, it was enjoyable to watch/hear him.
      As for that Salpi Ghazaryan lady of civilitas, I dont like her so much
      She is an agent of Oskanyan, she follows him like little puppy dog
      A friend of mine that knows her said to me that she once heard Salpi say to top official of Birthright Armenia (Depi Hayk): dont allow Hayastancis to be in BA/AVC, we dont want them to take it over. also, if anyone who follows such things as BA/AVC like I do, then you will certainly notice that there is NO STANCIS in these orgs, the only stancis invovled with these orgs are the tour guides and host families. ara if she said such a thing, (which I believe because she is a GOR GOR) then it’s true she is anti-Hayastanci. also, if she said it…she was not referring to stancis in Hayastan, more or less about stancis outside of Hayastan, manavand losum. imagine, we stancis have more birthright claim to our homeland than the gor gors do, and they are the ones who establish such as an org, name it “birthright Armenia” and then have guts to deny the very ppl who have such legitimacy birthright claims. oh so because we stancis are from there, then we dont have legitimate claims to be involved in such an org? aysinqn its only tourist program for the gor gor youth (15-30) right? I suppose she and the others dont want us involved because the gor gors will be exposed to what it really means to be Haykakan. yaaaah, its ok salpi I’ll create my own BA org and deny you gor gors who dares to think about joining us and put you out of buisness. ay HAKA-Hayastanci lakotikner !
      *she is the women near end of video @ 7:44 mark

      1. Birthright Armenia/AVC would amount to nothing without its local staff, ever since its inception. There happen to be two very valuable members of that team from Yerevan itself.

        http://www.birthrightarmenia.org/pages.php?al=Yerevan%20Staff

        Ձեր հայրենասիրական կիրքը գովելի է, Անդրանիկ, եւ ես կիսում եմ այն, բայց Ձեր մեկնաբանությունները շատ հաճախ աննպաստավոր են:

        1. yaaaaaaa ara es ov a… du ayl yekel es aystex
          nax look at who is the exec. dir. of Yerevan staff
          is he a local?? nope ! another gor gor from leb
          and who are his employees? 2 locals: 1 who is an assistant and 1 who is a coordinator, neither of them in leadership position
          if you bothered to pay attention to my comments you would’ve read that the only locals who are involved in these particular 2 orgs are the tourist guides (assistants & coordinators) and host families that take in the youth who stay for 1-3 months.
          also, look at who is their advisory committee board: a bunch of wealthy powerful gor gors, no stanics
          you can try to defend it all you want, but the evidence is proof
          BA/AVC = ANTI-Hayastanci (despite its fony facade)
          այ տղա եւ այլ եթե դուք իմ մեկնաբանություններըս չեք հավանում, դա ուրեմն ինձանից հեռացի, մի կարդա ու պատասխանի

          1. Իսկապէս, ղեկավարները Հայաստանում ծնուած-մեծացած մարդիկ չեն, բայց առանց տեղացիների օժանդակութեան, այդ կամ որեւէ կազմակերպութիւն Հայաստանում ի զօրու չի կարող լինել իր գործունէութիւնը առաջ տանել: And if you think they completely ignore the locals and treat them as lackeys, you are quite mistaken.

            Չեմ հասկանում Ձեր փաստարկը. ինչպէ՞ս կարող է «Դէպի Հայքը» հակահայկական կամ հակահայաստանեան հաստատութիւն լինի, եթէ իր ամբողջ առաքելութիւնը ուղղուած է Հայաստանի եւ հայ ժողովրդի բարելաւմանը:

            Այն որ Հայաստանից դուրս ապրող հայերից ոմանք ուզում են մաս կազմել այս կազմակերպութեան ու ջանք թափել Հայաստանին համար որեւէ իմաստ չունի՞:

            Ես Ձեր մեկնաբանութիւններից առ հասարակ խուսափում եմ: I get the impression that you are a disillusioned Hayastantsi who lives in the States. I wish you would spend time in Armenia, live and work there for a little while, as many Diasporans including myself, have. There is plenty to be disillusioned aboute all right, but also plenty to work on and to work with constructively. Վստահ եմ այն ժամանակ աւելի իրատեսօրէն կը մօտենաք մեր Հայրենիքին եւ իր խնդիրներին, եւ այլ անձանց կարծիքների նկատմամբ:

  2. Good, kind video.

    It seems it has no beginning and no end, no main message, as messages and thoughts were soooooo different, but idea in general is how to make independent Armenia better. Liked it.

    Can’t comment on why this set of people was selected. Maybe because they are VERY different but speak about the same thing….Which should be noted with gratitude.

  3. Andranik jan,

    Menk amenis Hay enk, gor gor yev stanci darperutyun chi ga.

    Yeghbayernere yerpemen hartser gunenan irar hed, payts serov amen inch ge ludzvi. I am a gor gor and I just bought an Eastern Armenian book to learn our beautiful language.
    Mi morenar vor menk chartevetsank yev mortsank mer hayutyune. Chi gardzess vor Lipanan aprogh e shad ourakh gyank gabre gor.

    Anyway, bedk e miyassin ashghadenk vor bes Hayasdan e mishd harach yerda, kani ourish yergir chounek mer Hayrenik en zad.

    1. @harut
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      we (the stancis) never hated any of you, we never discriminated any of you. you gor gors are the hateful & discriminatory towards us stancis. we have done everything to send you messages that we want to unite, but you refuse, deny, and ignore us on all levels across the board. in the 40’s we convinced the soviets to lift iron curtain and we begged all of you to move to Hayastan so we can unite and become great…of course like typical gor gor fashion you refused the invite, only lousy 5000 of you came and 2000-2200 of you fled back to your arab homelands, and the remainder that stayed some in Yerevan and some went to Gyumri and became real Armenian. in the 60’s we built genocide memorial (cicernakaberd), you dont even come for that. imagine you gor gors are hell bent on GENOCIDE GENOCIDE GENOCIDE every year after year for the last 95 years and you dont even come to Hayastan on April 24th. every year only 30-40 of you gor gors show up on April 24 in Hayastan , and not so intentionally. those gor gors who do show up happen to be in Hayastan on vacation or whatever busisness. in the early 90’s we begged for your help for Artsakh, we asked for you to send aid, send your soilders, come to help defend Hayastan and claim your identity, again you turned blind-eye to us. you gor gors threw lousy few million dollars at us and said: “here take this and you can say to us ‘Armenian’ from now on”. essentially trying to BUY your way into being Armenian (for me and rest of us Hayasers, that will never work, not all stancis are corrupt & greedy as you gor gors think, your money means sh*t to me. pride, respect, honor and love is more important to any Hayaser than god dam root of all evil money)
      hele in late 90’s and early 2000’s we set up tourist programs for you gor gors to be involved with, in hopes to attract you to our homeland and see the renewing of Yerevan and get some of you to hopefully move to Hayastan and see the reality of what it means to be HAY, but again you turned blind-eye to it.
      in 1999 you turned blind-eye to Oct 27 parliament massacre, you did not even publish about it in your papers or report it or show any care/concern to us what so ever
      and now the biggest hatred of them all, in 2008 you gor gors turned even bigger blind-eye to the turmoil of March 1st weekend and then in 2009 you come out in mass showing your hatred & discimination and whine about Armenia wanting to open its borders and establish some sort of normal diplomacy with our external enemies for sake of trying to boost our delapitating economy
      ara I can go on forever with the animosity between you & us, but for sake of not typing so much comments I will end with this…that you gor gors refuse us, you deny us, you hate us, you discriminate us on every level, you say to us THIEF, GREEDY, CORRUPT, DIRTY, FILTHY, RUSKIE, NOT ARMENIAN yev ayln. when you gor gors are the exact same words you accuse stancis of. so if you point to us and say NOT Armenian, then ara I point to you and say TURQ/ARAB !!!!! I as a true genuine Armenian can admit to alot of the evils & wrongs of my ppl & nation, but you gor gors will always deny and cover-up all of your dirty laundry and then say: walla habibi al-akbir we are clean as the Mr. clean

      1. Andranik,

        You’re forcing me to edit your comments again. Please remain respectful. I haven’t heard any Diaspora Armenians call Hayastancis non-Armenian. While you might have some valid point, you tend to generalize, exaggerate and offend people. I cannot tolerate that on my blog.

        1. @observer
          aper edit whatever you want. its your blog, do with it what you want
          than you have not been or lived in LA/hollywood/glendale
          come here and you’ll hear them speak such words, of course under their breaths, they dont have balls to say it to our faces, if they do…they know what will happen to them.
          and I dont exaggerate anything, I state facts & truths, its just you and many others dont want to admit to those facts & truths. that is human condition, afraid of facts & truths and nuture the lies & deceits

          1. I’ve lived in Salinas, CA for one year, I’ve lived in Boston area for about a month, I’ve lived in U.K. for extended periods of time and visited a range of other places where we have Diaspora-Armenian communities. I know what you mean when you complain, but I don’t think discussing that helps strengthen us as a nation. We have to many other serious issues to think of, than to look for divisions among ourselves. Hayastancis and Diaspora-Armenians certainly is many more things uniting us, than those dividing us.

            I fully agree with your statements, that Diaspora has in many ways hindered the development of Armenian Democracy and Independent statehood, by making sure with its lobby efforts, that shortages of democracy in this country are not voiced loud enough. But really – I think they’ve been doing that for the benefit of Armenia, not realizing, that they’re doing more harm, than good by this.

      2. Andranik jan,

        I can assure you there is no animosity between you & me. You might have problems with other gor gors, but I do not remember doing something wrong to you.

        I was not raised in an Armenian environment, but in Arabia full of Habibis. The genocide is in the past, if you think it is good to forget about it, then I am with you. We should make peace, diplomacy and trade with Turkey, that is good for Armenia.

        Now tell me, as a diaspora Armenian, how can I be helpful for Armenia? I really would like to know your input because I am trying very hard to do something good. And by the way, I don’t know if it is true that all gor gors are rich, I can tell you, I am bankrupt.

        1. @harut
          you do not need to be wronging me personally. gor gors as a collective wrong my homeland & ppl on every level across the board, to me that is a HUGE personal insult as Hayastan is my homeland and Hayutyun is my identity
          I dont believe it is good to forget any genocide regardless of time line. No REAL Armenian can forget what our external enemies did to us and continue today (borders closed, block-aid, buying off our officials on every level, etc. etc…) but unlike gor gors who are HELL BENT on genocide genocide genocide every hour of every day of every year after year, we stancis have other things to worry about than genocide. yes genocide is in the past, but that doesn’t mean we should forget it, but also does not mean we have to be HELL BENT on it 24/7. as it is we commemorate it once a year, that is not enough for both sides??? we have a country to worry about, we have problems (financial, political, social, yev ayln) we can not be god dam worry about genocide every second of every day. we have a homeland to maintain and exist. this is what gor gors dont understand and to be honest in my opinion: they REFUSE to understand it
          ara I dont know if you have what it takes to be iskakan Hay. you are admitting that you are born of camel habibi arabs, but you want to be Hay? this is problem I have with gor gors, you all proud to be born/raised of your countries and promote that country and its culture/heritage, yet you say such words as: we are Hay, we want to be Hay. to me gor gors have a serious “identity crisis” on their hands. they claim to be Hay, but are being another. one can not claim one identity if he/she is living another. you think chinese who living in america they are “american”? no, they are not. they are living as who & what they are: chinese ! this same principle must apply to gor gors. do you realize that you gor gors are th only group of ppl on this planet that promote & love other identities, but claim to be another. for example: does arab walk around telling everyone “walla yalla habibi I’m Armenian”? I’ve never seen an arab, or persian, or ruskie, or even scummy turk tell to anyone they are something that they are not. persians promote their persianness, turks promote their turkishness, ruskies promote their russianness, arabs will NEVER in their lives promote another azg…NEVER. so question remains why do gor gors, parskas, amerikaci, and moskvaci Hays tell to otars: we are Hay, but we promote and live as another azg? does a jew in america or france or UK say to everyone: I’m a an american, I’m a frenchman, I’m a this man, I’m a that man? no they dont, they say they are jew. although most jews for sake of their security & zionist reasons change their names and pretend to be identity of their host countries, but thats only because they are ruling the world. you gor gors dont rule anything but yourselves, so you dont have anything in common with jews to dis-associate from your true identity, haskacar?

          hele to be Armenian is something special. as we say in our wonderful beautiful sweet Armenian language: Hayer@ urish en eli, hom zorov chi. meaning Armenian is another we are different, it is not like other azgs where they only care about money, wealth, power, dominance, and recoginition. we are 1 of 10 oldest nations living on this planet, all others came much later after us. one can not say he/she is Hay all because he/she has “ian-yan” in their surname. to be Hay, one must LIVE AS A HAY, love and promote Hayastan-Yerevan-Artsakh, not god dam camel arab habibi walla beirut haleb maleb or kak tila moskvow or teeeehraaan iraaaan or whatever city-country you come from. one must live Hayutyan, share with the otars that we are Armenians, we are existing, we have our own language, culture, heritage, background, history, yev ayln. first and foremost, one must be able to SPEAK proper Hayeren, not some gla gor chojukh mojukh walla hos hon half arabic / half turkic language and dare to pass it off as “grabar” Hayeren. I never attended any Armenian school and I can speak/understand at minimum 50-60% of my mother tongue, I can read & write it as well. I taught it to myself, no one was around to teach me anything. on demand I can cite 70-80% of Armenian history as far back as 5,500 years ago. the average gor gor thinks that GENOCIDE is Armenian history. aysinqn before 1915 there was NO Armenians or Armenia, as if you gor gors fell out of sky and turqs shouted: lan oghlu moghlu kill all the ermenis. there is much more to being Armenian than ian-yan & genocide, and NO listening to Tata or Armenchik does not make anyone real Armenian either. everyone thinks that I associate listening to Armenchik-Tata as being “real” Armenian, they could not be more wrong, and being RABIZ does not make anyone real Armenain either. although I have lil bit rabiz in me, but I dont believe in that ghetto lifestyle, that is not being Haykakan, that is being ghetto-Hay

          anyway, the bottom line is this: if you want to help Hayastan and Hayutyan…then live as Armenian, love, respect, protect and more importantly PROMOTE the real homeland. learn proper Armenian language-history-culture, and at least once a year visit Armenia. if you can move there even better, repopulate the homeland and convince others to join you, but they must be of same mindset, otherwise there is NO in-between. you either Hay or not, none of this 25-50% of the time bulls**t. if you can not move to Hayastan for financial or fear of corruption reasons, then fine, I dont accuse of those who live outside of Hayastan as not being Hay. I am living outside of her entirely, but I’ve been there, and I have serious plans to move there sooner or later and DIE there and be buried there (as close to Ararat as possible), but still I’m remaining Hay. I dont listen to god dam george wassouf or turkish murkish tarkaan. I dont go hang out in god dam arabic cafes and dance habibi all night. I go to Haykakan cafe and dance Armenian all night. I love japanese foods, culture, the country, the system and the ppl…shall I go tell to everyone: ara hima japonci em? no, I will not. I will share with the Japanese that there is Armenia, we have our own language, culture, history, yev ayln and try to attract the Japs to visit Hayastan. there is many similarities of Japanese & Armenian. however, the point of all of this is…pick one identity and stick to it, stop tring to juggle more than 1

          1. Andranik,
            Thanks for your reply. Please consider my opinions below.

            It is irrational to judge on all Diasporans as if they were one body, there certainly are different groups and opinions as well as individuals. Many of them have done tremendous amount of good deeds, others would care less what Hayasdan is and what its stands for. Eventually, we are all human, and are imperfect. But we should not deny the sacrifices and help of many diasporans even if they have a funny gor gor accent, after all, they were not all lucky enough to learn proper Armenian. I myself was not happy to go to an Arabian school with a foreign environment to myself. You might also consider that the purpose of a genocide is to erase all traces of a culture. The plan was designed to make you FORGET who you are, the same as the Armenians of Turkey are now going thru. Fortunately, it takes a few generations to remember again who we are. Let us find words that encourage Hayasdancis and Diasporans to come together and not hurt each other by harsh words, we all have a common future, sooner or later we will reunite, the sooner the better.

            We all have to worry and fight corruption and oligarchs, there is no seperation between Stanci and gor gor, a criminal is criminal, they exist in Diasporans as well as Stancis. The right dualistic categorization is Corrupt people/Clean people, not Stanci/gor gor.

            Being hell bent on the genocide is something not for the benefit of only diasporans, but for the Republic of Armenia itself. Israel used the holocaust in order to receive Land which did not belong to them from the first place, they got nuclear weapons and military help, economic assistance from germany, italy, US etc. They have a huge hollywood industry that keeps promoting holocaust remembrance. If the Israelis, who were not killed by arabs, managed to get recognition, land which were not theirs, and 200 nuclear war heads, then imagine what Armenians should be entitled to considering that the Turks DI massacre 1.5 million Armenian, the DID deport millions of others, they DID take away major parts of our greater Armenia. So the compensation should be much greater.
            As Armenians, we should use the Genocide as pressure to get Artsakh recognized once and for all as our land. The genocide has not ended my brother, for us diasporans we are over it, the genocide has taken full effect. Many young diasoran Armenians married foreigners, have non-Armenian children they do not speak Armenian, they listen to Camel music habibi. Those people are lost, they are signs of success that the Genocide has achieved. The diasporan communities will keep melting/shrinking year after year.
            However the genocide assault continues until now, on Armenia itself. In very hidden ways, the demographic/military/economic pressures from Turkey and Azerbeijan cannot be denied if we are to be reliatsic. Armenia has 3 million. Turkey/Azeris 90 million. They have a petrochemical driven industry which would dwarf us in all fronts. Exctinction of Armenia as we know it is on the long run inevitable specially with open Turkish/Azeri borders if it happens without genocide recognition. Money can buy everyone, even the Hayasdancis which you say are different. I was in Erevan myself and have seen the materialism and the money culture. The money culture is a global phenomena. EVERYWHERE. Open the doors to the turkics, which are already open, bribery, corruption will blow the final nail on what we know as Armenia. Recognition of Genocide is the only guarantee that these foreign powers do not melt down the Armenian people, and will give us strength that WE as all Armenians, specially the governemnt, can get compensation, weapons, and security guarantees not only by russians but by the world itself, just like Israel now has. Once these guarantees are given, the economy will improve, there will be no need for corrupt politicians who outsource their decisions to foreign powers, only then can diasporans, many of them are Hayastancis by the way, can return to a prosperous Armenia.

            Having been born and raised in a foreign country, it is the most normal thing that people, specially children get assimilated and integrated ino that culture, to call them Camel kids habibis is not the most inviting way to remember our Hay identity. Identity crisis? For sure! Our friends, colleaugues, and neighbours are not Armenians. You expect that people spit into the well they drink from? Already in Lebanon there is a constant pressure for blood tests, they doubt we are true Lebanese. They look at us as foreigners, what would you do? Having been born and grown there? I tell them you are a bunch of camels habibis? and then where do I go? To Armenia? I applied several times for jobs there and they did not even bother to answer my mails! Well, now I have another identity crisis because I left my family and am living in a western country!

            The chinese living in America have a country called china and it is the greatest superpower today. As Republic of Armenia, what kind of backbone can you offer me?? People do not even know what Armenia is! did you know that? They cannot even locate it on the map. And guess who is informing the outer world what Armenia is? You are right, the gor gors on one hand deliver the good news, the turks deliver the bad news…only so that you make fun on us and say we are a bunch of camel riders?

            And moreover, the trend of dissociating from true Hay identity is not only common in gor gors, it is equally if not more common in Hayasdan itself, I know of the young Armenians who deny their Armenian identity, speak russian even english. Again, this is a modern trend of capitalism, and global culture, not to mention toxified food, weakened mind and followed by media propaganda.

            Aghber jan, some tolerance and understanding for the diasporans would be good from your side, understand that they have been subject to conversions, foreign nationalization and cultural attack. After all, these gor gors carry foreign passports and only now it became possible to apply for Hay citizenship and many are doing that already. It is a positive step to bring our lost brothers back to the Motherland. Hopefully it will be followed by concrete steps for constant visit and settling in Armenia. Many already have returned, many are satsified, others are dissapointed.
            watch this for example:

            when you say we are Hay I know what you mean. I feel it myself as well. We are selfless, heroic, non materialist, proud, intelligent, capabale! But to say “other azgs where they only care about money, wealth, power, dominance, and recoginition”….is NOT true. If I have not been to Erevan myself I would have believed you. Ayo, Hayasdancis are very much trapped into the world of money, wealth, power….I have seen it with my eyes, they are no different than other azgs. Because they are victim of global culture, modernization and materialism. So they have forgotten what it is to be a true Hay, just like majority of gor gors have forgotten. So let us put the problem in its true context.

            I am very happy that you have learned proper Armenian and are well versed in Armenian 5000 year old history, in reality, our history goes beyond 10,000 years. I admit I have not achieved the same as you have, but I am trying. everybody has his own timeline, his own CIRCUMSTANCES in life. Some are luckier than others, and some are more Willing than others. And that is good!

            I fully agree with your last paragraph. I tell you something Andranik jan. This year was my first time I have ever been to Armenia. My parents have never been there, they are second generation post genocide!! They speak turkish more than Armenian! They have been without education, without money, they had to think of survival, of a new land. How to grow their children, they did not think to grow their kids as Armenian, russian or whatever, for them the priority was survival!! Not to mention that we were grown in bomb shelters during a civil war! Even though I know many Armenians from Lebanon who went to Artsakh and fought for the motherland during times their families needed them most!

            The good news is that I have seen Armenia now, and I know who I am, only by visiting Armenia one is able to solve the identity crisis and know truly who he is. I plan not only to visit again, but to go and settle in Artsakh where we are most needed, because I truly believe Artsakh is the key for securing our existence for the future. In that case, if you know of any organisation, people or anything who can provide me information how to make that transition and go settle there, please do let me know. I would welcome any kind of support and willing to abandon my western computer oriented life and go work in my motherland with my bare hands on the fields with animals!

            And finally, the problem is not george wassouf or britney spears (no difference), both of which I do not listen to. I tend to listen to Sayat Nova tunes and Sacred Sharakan music of Armenia. That also has nothing to do with true Hay or not. It is the modern pop-culture that brainwashes all people with no exception. When the youths turn on MTV, the probability to hear Michael Jackson is MUCH higher than hearing Gurgen Dabaghyan. Normal people listen to what they are being told, Luysavor people know how to break the chains of illusion and go to the essence. The ESSENCE is, we ARE Armenians, and should work together, first to help/inform our lost brothers and sisters which gladly you are doing, but better with a tolerant and loving tone, bring them back to their Hayutyun. Unity above all among all Armenians. For a FREE, PROSPEROUS and STRONG ARMENIA. And WITHOUT ARTSAKH ther is NO HAYASDAN!

  4. @observer
    I am not dividing anything, I am merely discussing the division, hate, and discrimination on their part. They and we ignore this. I am an advocate to try to bring stuff out in the open. If we stancis continue to allow them to continue their hatred & discrmination towards us and covertly trying to keep down Hayastan, then we as a unit will never succeed. Dont think for a second our oligarchs/mafia regime are doing things by themselves, the gor gors are secretly/covertly working with them in-directly. The gor gors know that by covertly funding our “internal” enemies (which the gor gors are numero uno on that list) that they can keep down our Hayastan from afar with out having to step foot in her. It would be similar to how all the private banks (jewish owned/controlled across the board) can topple economies from the comfort of their offices, they dont need to step foot in a country to destroy it. So, you can think of gor gors in that same fashion. They are purposely trying to keep down Hayastan and they can do it from the comfort of their homes & businesses abroad. I’ve personally been to one of their very secret meetings that they hold here every year like clockwork, you can’t even imagine the words that are spoken by them. It’s like a scene out of The Godfather movie where don corleone is sitting with the other heads of the 5 mafia families and they discussing about how they will divide & conquer everything. Yes absolutely they cause MORE harm than good, but dont believe they are doing it unintentionally. They can put up a good act, they are very good deceivers. They can pretend that they dont realize what they are doing, but in reality it is precisely designed by them for their own benefit. nax look at all “their” orgs, there is ZERO to few stancis involved, how can one explain this? They claim that their orgs are for the benefit of Hayastan (the motherland) yet, they deny any stanci who wants to join. They give some lame excuses, as if it’s a place of employment: We’re filled right now, we have no openings available yev ayln. If they wanted and claim such unity amongst us vs. them, then they would be reaching out to us stancis across the board and trying to convince us to join them and unite and mend things between us. We must confront them, we must stand up to them. The fact that my stancis did not make an uproar in 2008 & 2009 for what gor gors did to us, showed me that stancis are AFRAID of the gor gors for one reason only: MONEY !!!

    there is that very old saying: he who holds all the gold….rules !!!
    I’m watching himnadram herusta maraton right now as I type this response. I am laughing my f’in ass off (LMFAO) as I hear the gor gors say that: “we are financially hurting right now, despite what they think in Hayastan those of us outside of Hayastan dont have it so easy like before”
    I mean this could not be more false, because as they are annoucing this on national tv, simultaneously they are annoucing donations of 15k, 30k, 250k, and 1million by SINGLER donors, not collectively.
    So you see now, they are very good LIARS, but sort of purposely slip out that they still have ALL THE GOLD and THEY RULE

    btw: want to share info that while usa/europe/canada is in this supposed economic meltdown and there is massive job losses & home foreclosures across the boards, the gor gors are doing JUST FINE & DANDY. In fact, they are becoming more rich & powerful by the year. They are not losing their jobs (ara what jobs, they dont even work for living, they just live) or homes. Imagine during this time of economic depression, they never lose their big money or big homes or big expensive cars, clothes, vacations, etc etc…they will LIE their ass’s off to trick everyone that they dont have it so easy, but this is a typical tool of their deceptive trade

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